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But for his death, the silencer evidence would almost certainty have been rejected...
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I have been given the following confidential information:-
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I have been given the following confidential information:-

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I have been given the following confidential information:-

DS 'Stan' Jones, was the person who went behind 'Taffs' back, and he took Robert Boutflours (DB/1) silencer to the lab' and deposited it there on 30th August 1985. He was also directly involved in switching original crime scene ammunition with test fired control ammuntion, which enabled Essex police to turn the investigation into a one gun crime...
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Confidential information passed to me, reveals that the ballistic expert, Fletcher, and 'Stan' Jones, worked together in tampering with the batch of crime scene ammunition, with test fired rounds, so as to be able to present the case as a one gun crime, when it was not...
« Last Edit: March 12, 2014, 06:53:PM by mike tesko »
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Confidential information passed to me, reveals that the ballistic expert, Fletcher, and 'Stan' Jones, worked together in tampering with the batch of crime scene ammunition, with test fired rounds, so as to be able to present the case as a one gun crime, when it was not...

'Stan' Jones, signed the 'General Examaniation Records' of crime scene ammunition, which was tampered with by himself and the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher - DS Jones even had to re-write his notes in a duplicate pocketbook to hide the details of what he got up to regarding this, and other unlawful practices he was involved with during the two investigations. 'Taff' Jones, did not know about 'Stan' Jones, being given Robert Boutflours silencer (DB/1) or that 'Stan' Jones took it along to the lab' on the 30th August 1985. If 'Taff' had found out what DS Jones had done, he would have wrung his neck, or beat the living daylights out of him. DS Jones appears to have had unrestricted access to evidence kept at the lab' and been able to introduce or remove exhibits from there without any official or proper records being kept regarding his involvement in these matters,. However, he slipped up when it came to the replacement of several pieces of original crime scene ammunition, because he signed several of the 'General examination records' relating to items that were interfered with...

Once items are received at the lab' an investigating officer should not have access to such items, or be able to influence scientific findings of the same, but DS Jones did all this, and he went further by substituting crime scene ammunition and replacing it with rounds test fired (unofficially) in the rifle (DRH/15)...

The death of 'Taff' Jones, occurred at a rather convenient moment in time, which allowed the current investigating officers to tamper with the silencer, blood and paint evidence, which they duly merged into one compact package, where the key blood and paint from the aga in the kitchen evidence related to one silencer which became known as exhibit DRB/1, with a secret history of having previously been known as silencer DB/1, and also SBJ/1, retrospectively...

At the time of Bambers trial, nobody in the defense camp, or the jury, knew that the silencer (court exhibit 9) DRB/1, had got a dodgy history. Police and the CPS, and the experts who testified about blood which had supposedly been found inside it, and paint found upon it, made any mention of the other exhibit references (SBJ/1, DB/1) the silencer DRB/1 had been previously referred to in other examinations which took place involving a silencer at the lab', or elsewhere. If any of this had been mentioned during the trial, the floodgates would have been opened at that stage, with the defense arguing that the silencer evidence was unreliable and should be excluded...
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The only silencer with a physical stain of human blood which originated from Sheila at the time she was initially shot downstairs in the kitchen upon it, was neither SBJ/1, DB, or DRB/1, it was the police issue one, identifiable by the mark of SJ1...
« Last Edit: March 13, 2014, 07:16:AM by mike tesko »
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The blood flake which produced the key blood grouping results which permitted the prosecution to argue during the trial, that it was blood unique to Sheila, could (a) be her blood, or (b) it could be Robert Boutflours blood, or (c) an intimate mixture of the parents bloods. This becomes more apparent now that it is established that the crucial blood group evidence was found inside Robert Boutflours own silencer (DB/1), not the Bamber owned one which David Boutflour (DRB/1) found in the gun cupboard at the scene...
« Last Edit: March 13, 2014, 07:46:AM by mike tesko »
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The blood flake which produced the key blood grouping results which permitted the prosecution to argue during the trial, that it was blood unique to Sheila, could (a) be her blood, or (b) it could be Robert Boutflours blood, or (c) an intimate mixture of the parents bloods. This becomes more apparent now that it is established that the crucial blood group evidence was found inside Robert Boutflours own silencer (DB/1), not the Bamber owned one which David Boutflour (DRB/1) found in the gun cupboard at the scene...

Since, during the trial it was put to Robert Boutflour that he could have cut himself whilst handling the silencer found by his son, David - but he refuted this suggestion by declaring that he had not even touched or handled that (DRB/1) silencer. However, since the key blood group evidence was not found in the Bamber (DRB/1) silencer, but found inside Robert Boutflours (DB/1) own silencer, it sheds a different light on the matter, it now becomes likely that unless the Boutflour silencer was physically used in the shooting of Sheila, that the blood group results (A, EAP BA, AK/1, and HP   2 - 1) must have originated or be exclusive to Robert Boutflour...

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Since, during the trial it was put to Robert Boutflour that he could have cut himself whilst handling the silencer found by his son, David - but he refuted this suggestion by declaring that he had not even touched or handled that (DRB/1) silencer. However, since the key blood group evidence was not found in the Bamber (DRB/1) silencer, but found inside Robert Boutflours (DB/1) own silencer, it sheds a different light on the matter, it now becomes likely that unless the Boutflour silencer was physically used in the shooting of Sheila, that the blood group results (A, EAP BA, AK/1, and HP   2 - 1) must have originated or be exclusive to Robert Boutflour...

Furthermore, the unidentified male dna found inside the baffle plates originated from Robert Boutflour, not Ralph Bamber...
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It makes a massive difference inside which, and who's silencer, the key blood evidence was found inside of - non more so, because the relatives have gone on record, as saying that only one silencer was found in the gun cupboard at the scene. This was the silencer given to police by Ann Eaton, on 11th September, the same silencer that David Boutflour phoned the polic about the day before on 10th September, the same silencer 'Taff' Jones kept on his desk because he thought relatives were trying to frame Jeremy for the murders by use of it. This was the very same silencer, that Detective Sergeants, Davidson and Eastwood fingerprinted on the 13th Septembet 1985, after seizing possession of it from 'Taffs' desk. I can now reveal that Davidson and Eastwood were asked by 'Taff' Jones to fingerprint it because of his suspicion that relatives were trying to frame Jeremy by introduction of it to police...
« Last Edit: March 13, 2014, 08:37:AM by mike tesko »
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It was no suprise, and not coincidental, that when this silencer was sent to the lab' on 20th September, that it was sent there to be checked for blood, and fibers - since, it had been part of Robert Boutflours claim that after Jeremy had shot and killed Sheila with use of the silencer, how Jeremy had used one of Sheila's tampons to wipe the silencer clean...
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Relatives have never tried to deny that Ann Eaton handed the silencer which her brother David had found at the scene, a month earlier...

David Boutflour has yet to try and deny that it wasn't until 10th September 1985, that he first contacted police by use of telephone, to report that he had found the silencer to the gun...
« Last Edit: March 13, 2014, 09:42:AM by mike tesko »
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'Stan' Jones, signed the 'General Examaniation Records' of crime scene ammunition, which was tampered with by himself and the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher - DS Jones even had to re-write his notes in a duplicate pocketbook to hide the details of what he got up to regarding this, and other unlawful practices he was involved with during the two investigations. 'Taff' Jones, did not know about 'Stan' Jones, being given Robert Boutflours silencer (DB/1) or that 'Stan' Jones took it along to the lab' on the 30th August 1985. If 'Taff' had found out what DS Jones had done, he would have wrung his neck, or beat the living daylights out of him. DS Jones appears to have had unrestricted access to evidence kept at the lab' and been able to introduce or remove exhibits from there without any official or proper records being kept regarding his involvement in these matters,. However, he slipped up when it came to the replacement of several pieces of original crime scene ammunition, because he signed several of the 'General examination records' relating to items that were interfered with...

Once items are received at the lab' an investigating officer should not have access to such items, or be able to influence scientific findings of the same, but DS Jones did all this, and he went further by substituting crime scene ammunition and replacing it with rounds test fired (unofficially) in the rifle (DRH/15)...

The death of 'Taff' Jones, occurred at a rather convenient moment in time, which allowed the current investigating officers to tamper with the silencer, blood and paint evidence, which they duly merged into one compact package, where the key blood and paint from the aga in the kitchen evidence related to one silencer which became known as exhibit DRB/1, with a secret history of having previously been known as silencer DB/1, and also SBJ/1, retrospectively...

At the time of Bambers trial, nobody in the defense camp, or the jury, knew that the silencer (court exhibit 9) DRB/1, had got a dodgy history. Police and the CPS, and the experts who testified about blood which had supposedly been found inside it, and paint found upon it, made any mention of the other exhibit references (SBJ/1, DB/1) the silencer DRB/1 had been previously referred to in other examinations which took place involving a silencer at the lab', or elsewhere. If any of this had been mentioned during the trial, the floodgates would have been opened at that stage, with the defense arguing that the silencer evidence was unreliable and should be excluded...
Mike it is my opinion and always has been that the silencer evidence should have been thrown out of court. The very crappy condition it was in at the time it was presented at trial alone should have thrown suspicion on it at least from the judge himself.
I believe the reason that is was kept as evidence was that it was if I might use the term, "a beautiful theory". It was very smart and it fitted neatly into their scenarios that they thought, "It must be true". Yet to my own reasoning it was too neat to be true. I think Bamber was well and truly fitted up.

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Mike it is my opinion and always has been that the silencer evidence should have been thrown out of court. The very crappy condition it was in at the time it was presented at trial alone should have thrown suspicion on it at least from the judge himself.
I believe the reason that is was kept as evidence was that it was if I might use the term, "a beautiful theory". It was very smart and it fitted neatly into their scenarios that they thought, "It must be true". Yet to my own reasoning it was too neat to be true. I think Bamber was well and truly fitted up.

Hi Grahame,

It was an elaborate scheme devised by police, relatives, and lab' employees, designed like you say, to lead everyone into thinking that it was the perfect. explanation to prove thatt Sheila had not killed herself...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...