Essex police accepted call was made from Whf...

[Kaldin]

Seems we all thought there was no hope for establishing the existence of those calls for not.

But, now, from the very edge of hope, they've arrived. The logs that prove a call was made.

Quite a miracle I'd say.

I am quite stunned by this revelation to be honest. I've put the kettle on in celebration.

Yes, mystery solved I'd say - after all this time. 

[Kaldin]

I thought mike said he had the records up to the murders but the important ones being help underPII

Well then how does he know that there was a call from the farm to Jeremy's house?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

I just KNOW there's a Betamax video of the murder on CCTV somewhere.
It's being held back though, because there's 3 episodes of the Sweeny on the end of too, and the lads at EP haven't finished watching it yet though.

[Kaldin]

I just KNOW there's a Betamax video of the murder on CCTV somewhere.
It's being held back though, because there's 3 episodes of the Sweeny on the end of too, and the lads at EP haven't finished watching it yet though.

I heard it was Miami Vice. 

[jon]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/11/scotland-yard-daniel-morgan-killers?INTCMP=SRCH         Murder trial's get messed up for many reason's

[Jackiepreece]

Good example Jon especially as it was of a similar time and I liked the reference to coaching of witnesses remind you of anyone ? Jm

I look forward to any scrap of evidence that anyone could dig up but if there are records available someone needs shooting!

[TheBrilliantMistake]

'someone needs shooting'....

You should be writing professionally!

[chelmsey]

I just KNOW there's a Betamax video of the murder on CCTV somewhere.
It's being held back though, because there's 3 episodes of the Sweeny on the end of too, and the lads at EP haven't finished watching it yet though.

looooool   :'(

[Reader]

. . . EP seized an answer phone and several cassette tapes from his cottage . . . The results from the examination of Jeremy's answer phone and the corresponding audio tapes has so far never been disclosed...

Jeremy's answering machine is a red herring, since Jeremy would have mentioned it a lot if it had recorded any part of Nevill's call, and EP would have used it as evidence if it held anything else of relevance to the case. If the machine was connected to the line, it was probably not set to answer automatically at the time, so that it held nothing useful. In those days, answering machines couldn't tell when or from what number a call was received, and didn't retain any information about callers who didn't leave a message.

We have been told that there was no billing record for individual calls made from whf, but I have copies of billing information up to July 1985, ...

Was the WHF telephone bill for July 1985 fully itemized, as distinct from partially itemized (which meant that local calls were not individually listed, just summarized)?

Also, bills at that time were issued by British Telecom, so why have you been referring to the GPO?

Once the billing information was obtained, EP were satisfied that a call was made from whf to 9 head street, but they started to investigate who could have made the call - was it Ralph Bamber?

What police documents do you have copies of that show this to be the case?

[mike tesko]

Jeremy's answer machine had a delay feature, which was adjustable...

[mike tesko]

Settings, and any recordings on the seized audio tapes, were of interest to the EP  investigation...

[mike tesko]

EP examined the audio tapes hoping to get clues of the identity of the caller, or background noises...

[mike tesko]

JB's answer phone was / is not, a red herring - EP treated it as potentially being a significant piece of evidence...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

IF (MASSIVE IF) an answer machine was utilised, it would be for the sole purpose of 'answering' a call from WHF at 3.00 (or so) in the morning.

As soon as Jeremy got home, he destroys the tape.

Jeremy almost certainly couldn't be sure if BT would be able to log the call or not, esp not when it came to pulling out all the stops in a murder enquiry, so it would make some degree of sense of for him to actually make sure a call happened (rather than just leave the phone off the hook and hope BT couldn't prove anything).

In order to answer the phone at Goldhanger (without him being there of course) an answer machine would be fine. There would be no voice, since Nevill was probably dead by then AND Nevill's voice on tape would have been no help to his defence.... it would make it worse.

Now, it would clearly NOT be in Jeremy's interests for any recording to be heard, even if silent, since this would only help to establish that he wasn't at Goldhanger.

The only 'worrying' part for Jeremy is that he must make the call from WHF and then get home as fast as possible in order to call the police, then get cleaned up as quickly as possible.



For those that think he didn't make the call, just left the phone off the hook... that's possible too of course but here's the pro's and cons:

Leave phone off the hook only:
1) If BT can prove no call was made, he's in trouble (huge con)
2) There's no tape to get rid of (minor pro)


Make the call (using answering machine):
1) If BT can prove the call was made, he's covered (huge pro)
2) If the tape is found he's in trouble (con)
3) He has to explain 15 minutes between the WHF call and his call to the police from Goldhanger (con)

For me personally, I'd have gone for the answering machine - because I'd be worried about what BT might be able to prove or not. But making no call still seems a very fair option too.


As for the police grabbing any answering machine / tapes...
By the time they'd got around to it, there'd be no evidence. In fact, Jeremy only has to destroy one one cassete tape (the old standard size, or possible a mini sized one). There weren't many solid state machines around in those days.


of course ALL of this presupposes that Jeremy did it.
If he didn't... I can't really see there being a recording of Nevill saying "Jeremy my boy, daddy here, sorry to call you at such an unseemly hour, I wonder if you might get back to me whenever is convenient - it's your sister, she's had a bit of a to do with the rifle. Tally ho!"

[mike tesko]

EP would have taken all possibilities into account when they seized the answer phone - Jeremy never claimed the call from RB was answered by his answer phone machine, EP just seized it as part of thier investigation at a time when they had other information to go on, including info' from JM, including the billing info', and details, of which also involved the timing of the other calls made to the police, by RB and JB, and the other call JB made to JM, the significance of which is now all apparent...