Did Jeremy hate June ?

[maggie]

Why do you think Jeremy failed to attend the memorial service ?
Colin Caffell would have been just as upset. His reaction is much more natural.
Julie looks very uncomfortable. Knowing what she knows. She did not want to attend, but Jeremy persuaded her.

Colin lost his boys the hardest thing in the world, however that wasn't their funeral, it was Juneand Nevill's. He wasn't that close to June and Nevill. Jeremy lost his complete family, this waz the funeral of his Mum and Dad,; he was 24 and all his life as he knew it and his security, his home etc. Had been wiped out in such a violent way. Different experiences and different reactions or do you believe we are all clones.

[lookout]

Why do you think Jeremy failed to attend the memorial service ?

Colin Caffell would have been just as upset. His reaction is much more natural.

Julie looks very uncomfortable. Knowing what she knows. She did not want to attend, but Jeremy persuaded her.

"Julie looks uncomfortable ?" Rubbish ! She was one hard woman who certainly had no qualms whatsoever in visiting the mortuary where two little boys lay. I was a nurse,,but it would have taken me all my time to hold myself together.
JM would have been studying Jeremy for future reference,while the cogs in her head were turning.

[Adam]

Grahame I would be interested to read that wonder where it is on the forum I have never read one bad word that Jeremy has said about Julie he wrote to her from prison asking her why she had done this to him and the letter was returned to him.

Well why don't you read it then ? There is no memtion of Jeremys NOTW deal. Funny that.

[maggie]

Why do you think Jeremy failed to attend the memorial service ?

Colin Caffell would have been just as upset. His reaction is much more natural.

Julie looks very uncomfortable. Knowing what she knows. She did not want to attend, but Jeremy persuaded her.

To me Julie looks concerned about Jeremy. Not the expression I would expect on the face of someone watching the murderer of the dead cry crocodile tears imo.

[Adam]

"Julie looks uncomfortable ?" Rubbish ! She was one hard woman who certainly had no qualms whatsoever in visiting the mortuary where two little boys lay. I was a nurse,,but it would have taken me all my time to hold myself together.
JM would have been studying Jeremy for future reference,while the cogs in her head were turning.

In my opinion she looks uncomfortable.

The only cogs turning were in Jeremys mind. They involved money. He could not keep robbing the caravan site & was not clever enough to walk away & earn his millions. But did not want another 10 - 30 years of farm labouring. Only to then have to share the wills.

[grahameb]

Errr. Use you're eyes.

Under Julie Mugford and NOTW deal.

Yes I read that. Jeremy has said nothing against her. It was his defence team that questioned her deal with the NOTW deal, justifiably I might add. But Jeremy himself has not said a word of hate against her.
In the other hand this "girlfriend" well and truly screwed him over at the beginning and when she was brought over for his appeal she said something like, "He is where I put him and there he is going to stay".
Now if I were to judge their characters between them I know who I would choose. She still holds a hatred for Jeremy after all these years as a mistress scorned. But Jeremy has held his peace towards her.

[Steve_uk]

I would hazard a guess Jeremy bonding with his parents is an issue to you and others because he's adopted, it's true some adoptions don't work well but many, many do.  Some natural children and parents don't bond too well either. I wonder, did Julie Mugford bond with her Mother ..... oh sorry .... not an issue because it was a biological relationship!!! Must have been perfect then!!!

There was no bonding,and it's ironic that Jeremy tells a story of sitting round the kitchen table that last evening with Jeremy looking on,when I suggest to you problems had never been discussed this way in the past. The adoption issue may have made it harder for them to overcome the intimate strangers phenomenon,but there's nothing to suggest to me that Jeremy ever missed his family emotionally after they were gone,whether you believe him guilty or not.

[Adam]

Yes I read that. Jeremy has said nothing against her. It was his defence team that questioned her deal with the NOTW deal, justifiably I might add. But Jeremy himself has not said a word of hate against her.
In the other hand this "girlfriend" well and truly screwed him over at the beginning and when she was brought over for his appeal she said something like, "He is where I put him and there he is going to stay".
Now if I were to judge their characters between them I know who I would choose. She still holds a hatred for Jeremy after all these years as a mistress scorned. But Jeremy has held his peace towards her.

Who did she say that to ? The courts ? Oh I forgot she was not called to give evidence at the appeal.

She was not jilted. Already discussed. If she was she would not dare perjure herself in such a serious trial for such a trivial reason. She was a 20 year old collage student & would not have had the courage anyway.

[grahameb]

There was no bonding,and it's ironic that Jeremy tells a story of sitting round the kitchen table that last evening with Jeremy looking on,when I suggest to you problems had never been discussed this way in the past. The adoption issue may have made it harder for them to overcome the intimate strangers phenomenon,but there's nothing to suggest to me that Jeremy ever missed his family emotionally after they were gone,whether you believe him guilty or not.

May I also suggest to you Steve that problems were always discussed this way, as they were a family unit?

[susan]

Grahame Julie maybe older but still the same Julie inwardly.

[Jan]

No other member here has ever accused me of plagiarism. The Wilkes book was written with the cooperation of Jeremy and I suggest that you do not lightly dismiss it,however guarded Jeremy's comments to the author were throughout.

Actually Steve I will take your comments on board . If one poster in particular choses only to use sections of any book just to suit his opinion, and if that author does actually  give a balanced view on the other side and on this forum we are not seeing that opposing view - you are correct I should not just dismiss the book. It reminds me of the whole controversy with Glen Hoddle and his comments that appeared in the newspaper  that caused his downfall. They chose not to publish all of what he said nor did they investigate how he acted within his own life . They just chose to publish one thing - out of context to suit their agenda. And I am sure that happens a lot.

[susan]

Adam she had the courage to commit bank fraud and bringing drugs into this country and selling them .

[grahameb]

Who did she say that to ? The courts ? Oh I forgot she was not called to give evidence at the appeal.

She was not jilted. Already discussed. If she was she would not dare perjure herself in such a serious trial for such a trivial reason. She was a 20 collage student & would not have had the courage anyway.

She said it to a newspaper and I read it personally. She was not called to the court of appeal because the judge ruled that she should not be called. Much to the dismay of the defence counsel. So they were not able to cross examine her as they wished. Justice or injustice?

[lookout]

Jansus,,as we all know,,it's smut and badness that sells newspapers. The more dirt,,the better.

[Adam]

Adam she had the courage to commit bank fraud and bringing drugs into this country and selling them .

Jeremy went to Amsterdam to bring Cannabis into the country after the murders.

Oh yes, the 1984 bank fraud. Committed with a friend. Money she paid back a long time before the trial.

Does anyone know exactly when she paid it back ?