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Offline Droosie

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Just found this.....seems in 2011 Mick Gradwell was suggesting that there should be an examination of the remaining evidence. Certainly in this text he does not seem to suggest that the case against Jeremy is "cut and dried", rather that it seems to lean towards Jeremy but it is a "close call". In fact he doesn't sound certain at all.  Interesting anyhow...it comes from this link:

http://www.lep.co.uk/columnists/which-adopted-child-shot-farmhouse-family-1-3062813

I have cut and pasted the main text.

Is Jeremy Bamber the victim of a miscarriage of justice?

Just before Christmas the Guardian newspaper asked me to review ‘new’ evidence in one of this country’s most violent and horrific murder cases. It took place at an Essex farmhouse in 1985 and involved the murder of husband and wife Neville and June Bamber, their adopted daughter Sheila Caffell and her six-year-old twin boys Daniel and Nicholas.

Police initially suspected that Sheila Caffell, who had a history of mental illness, had gone berserk with a rifle, killing her family and then herself. The scene had the appearance of a straightforward case of murder/suicide and the police carried out a very quick and shoddy investigation.

It wasn’t until relatives found a blood and paint-stained silencer in the farmhouse and when other inconsistencies arose, that a new police investigation team focused attention on Jeremy Bamber, the adopted son of June and Neville. In 1986, Bamber was convicted of the murders by a 10-2 majority verdict and was sentenced to life. He has always protested his innocence.

The Criminal Cases Review Commission is considering the ‘new’ evidence and will announce whether they are going to refer the case to the Court of Appeal in about a week’s time.

In my view, many of the points being raised by the defence are erroneous. But if the new photographic expert’s evidence is correct, it does appear the scene was re-staged during the initial investigation and crucial scratch marks above a cooker may not have been made at the time of the incident.

Even if this is the case, it does not mean that Jeremy Bamber did not commit the murders. It means the trial jury was not provided with accurate evidence, which may result in the need for a re-trial. Unfortunately, Essex police accidentally destroyed a large number of exhibits years ago, which further complicates matters.

It is clear that only Sheila Caffell or Jeremy Bamber could have committed the murders. When I look at all the evidence, Jeremy Bamber remains the most likely suspect. Having said that, it is a close call and I can see why there is an increasing clamour for Bamber to be released.

I think the case would benefit from a new forensic examination of the remaining exhibits and photographs - particularly in relation to the analysis of the patterns of blood-splattering, which could provide additional and useful evidence.

What I find most frustrating is that, had modern DNA techniques and itemised billing for telephone calls been available in 1985, many of the doubts about this troubling case would have been laid to rest a long time ago.

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2014, 03:53:PM »
no it does not sound like hes convinced of guilt.

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2014, 04:45:PM »
If I remember rightly,,it was Mick Gradwell,,who,,when asked about the investigation,,,pinched his nose and uttered words to the effect that it was indeed a poorly done investigation. He may have been referring to the near 30 officers who trampled through the farmhouse to examine the scene.

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2014, 05:31:PM »
So what was Adam on about then?

This does also seem to be an odd conclusion - if the evidence  was staged then surely the question would be WHY?

If the evidence of the scratch on the mantle was inaccurate then you would have to ask WHY

If there is any doubt and there is anyway of answering those vital questions then surely the question should be why not?

He is admitting there is doubt - but has a very funny way of presenting his argument IMO

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2014, 05:51:PM »
my guess is that adam is doing with gradwell what he did with roger Wilkes.

« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 05:51:PM by nugnug »

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 05:59:PM »
my guess is that adam is doing with gradwell what he did with roger Wilkes.



NUGS!!!!!! NEVER with Gradwell AND with Wilkes!!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2014, 06:00:PM »
Who (and what) is Mick Gradwell?
He really has his doubts. - with good reason! More people should have doubts about this shoddily investigated case.

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2014, 06:02:PM »


NUGS!!!!!! NEVER with Gradwell AND with Wilkes!!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

talking up the mans credentials and then attributing words to him that he never said

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2014, 06:04:PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Here he says 'Looking at the overall circumstances I feel it is a safe conviction and that Jeremy Bamber in cold blooded and calculated way killed his family. The evidence does point that way quite significantly'.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2014, 06:07:PM »
talking up the mans credentials and then attributing words to him that he never said



Ohhh! Is THAT what you meant? Well, it figures :D :D :D

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2014, 06:13:PM »
The spectator called the Tonight programme a bit of a damp squid. They were right.

It came out just before the CCRC judgement. The usual pro & anti Jeremy people wheeled out. Nothing new of any substance.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 06:15:PM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2014, 06:25:PM »
I started the thread as I didn't know much about this man, so did an internet search and found the article above.

He seems to think Jeremy is guilty based upon the available evidence.....or that it points more probably to Jeremy. It was interesting to read some of his other comments though that actually he really isn't sure and more importantly can see why people feel Jeremy to be innocent.

I just thought it was interesting rather than anything as I had always thought he suggested the conviction was safe. The above article seems to suggest not ... it was written three years ago though.

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2014, 06:26:PM »
I disagree with the itemised phone billing claim.

Jeremy could have rang his cottage from WHF,then just picked up the reciever when arriving back.

He probably thought it was too risky ringing the police from WHF & pretending to be Neville. Which is why he told the police Neville liked to keep things private.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Mick Gradwell.....well someone had to start a thread lol
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2014, 06:31:PM »
I started the thread as I didn't know much about this man, so did an internet search and found the article above.

He seems to think Jeremy is guilty based upon the available evidence.....or that it points more probably to Jeremy. It was interesting to read some of his other comments though that actually he really isn't sure and more importantly can see why people feel Jeremy to be innocent.

I just thought it was interesting rather than anything as I had always thought he suggested the conviction was safe. The above article seems to suggest not ... it was written three years ago though.

The Tonight programme was in March 2012.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.