foster care.

[Jane]

Jane that is an excellent account of Sheila's whereabouts on the day before the murders and I like you think it is all fabrication about the man behind the tree and the electricity man.

Susan, THANK-YOU. I rather surprised myself at how angry and sickened I feel about this wonderful and gentle Community being spoken of so disrespectfully. I can't believe Mike would support an anonymous letter writer in their assertions of Neanderthals with guard dogs threatening as woman they'd never previously seen, even if she was lying about her car needing water.

 A person a little more famous than I!!!!! once described himself as being "incandescent with rage". I know exactly how that feels.

[mike tesko]

The route depicted in the two above images is the route that Sheila took running from the monastery on the late afternoon of the 6th August 1985. It did not take her very long to race back to the farmhouse, as researched by myself several years ago...

[Jane]

The route depicted in the two above images is the route that Sheila took running from the monastery on the late afternoon of the 6th August 1985. It did not take her very long to race back to the farmhouse, as researched by myself several years ago...

It could have been the route that Sheila would have taken HAD she visited the Monastery, but in the late afternoon of August 6th, she, June and the boys were visiting with Elizabeth Smith in her Tiptree bungalow.

Your research, based on the lies in that letter headed BS, was a waste of a journey. Nevertheless it IS a beautiful area, and I hope you enjoyed your visit. 

[buddy]

Fact is Colin had custody of the children,so foster is out of the question.

[Jane]

Fact is Colin had custody of the children,so foster is out of the question.

Absolutely Buddy, although I'm of the opinion that the Bambers tended to disregard him -he certainly, because of his atheism and quasi hippy style, doesn't appear to be the sort of guardian they'd have chosen for their grandchildren, but in those days the wishes of grandparents weren't considered.

[mike tesko]

It could have been the route that Sheila would have taken HAD she visited the Monastery, but in the late afternoon of August 6th, she, June and the boys were visiting with Elizabeth Smith in her Tiptree bungalow. She was at the monastery after that visit, June went home to the farmhouse, Sheila went for a walk and went to the monastery. This activity interfered with Junes normal tuesday night bible class because she was lumbered with the two children whilst Sheila was out gallavanting at the monastery. I am not suggesting that anybody at the monastery attacked her, I am just reporting the truth about what others observed involving her on that occasion. It's all true, and was the main reason why June couldn't go to bible class that evening...

Your research, based on the lies in that letter headed BS, was a waste of a journey. Nevertheless it IS a beautiful area, and I hope you enjoyed your visit.

[Jane]

What makes you think you're reporting truth, Mike? As far as I can make out ALL you're reporting is what anonymous others said and the contents of a badly written letter -whose contents are BS-  from someone you don't know. As it has never previously mentioned I can only assume to be no more than convenient speculation the reason you give for June not attending her church meeting.

Not for a moment did I think that you'd suggested Sheila had been attacked, although there was the unspoken suggestion that she'd become frightened by something.

I don't believe a word of what you say about this incident, but I'm not calling YOU a liar. YOU'RE clearly only repeating -in good faith- what liars have told you.   

[mike tesko]

What makes you think you're reporting truth, Mike? As far as I can make out ALL you're reporting is what anonymous others said and the contents of a badly written letter -whose contents are BS-  from someone you don't know. As it has never previously mentioned I can only assume to be no more than convenient speculation the reason you give for June not attending her church meeting.

Not for a moment did I think that you'd suggested Sheila had been attacked, although there was the unspoken suggestion that she'd become frightened by something.

I don't believe a word of what you say about this incident, but I'm not calling YOU a liar. YOU'RE clearly only repeating -in good faith- what liars have told you.

I have the official police notes in front of me, for Tuesday, 6th August 1985 - at 12pm (midday), Julie Folkes sees Sheila plus sons, and Junes dog down Pages Lane. At 3pm, June, Sheila and boys out of Pages Lane in Mrs Bambers car, They appeared normal. 9pm, Len F. and JB combining rape on farm. JB leaves saying his father would come down to collect the last loads. 9.30pm, Mrs Wilson farm sec. rang - Mr Bamber curt on phone - thought maybe interrupted an argument. That night Mrs B. did not go to her usual bible class. 9.30pm, Dorothy Foakes hears J's car drive off. 10pm, Pamela Boutflour rang - spoke to June / Sheila - noticedSheila passed her over to June rather suddenly not saying goodnight...

[lookout]

I wonder why Sheila didn't say goodnight ? Something on her mind ? For someone with a religious bent I'd have thought from a religious point of view as well as out of politeness that at least she could have even quickly have said goodnight. It takes very little effort no matter how you feel.
Did Sheila know it was going to be the last night ? I think so.

[Jane]

What makes you think you're reporting truth, Mike? As far as I can make out ALL you're reporting is what anonymous others said and the contents of a badly written letter -whose contents are BS-  from someone you don't know. As it has never previously mentioned I can only assume to be no more than convenient speculation the reason you give for June not attending her church meeting.

Not for a moment did I think that you'd suggested Sheila had been attacked, although there was the unspoken suggestion that she'd become frightened by something.

I don't believe a word of what you say about this incident, but I'm not calling YOU a liar. YOU'RE clearly only repeating -in good faith- what liars have told you.
   

I have the official police notes in front of me, for Tuesday, 6th August 1985 - at 12pm (midday), Julie Folkes sees Sheila plus sons, and Junes dog down Pages Lane. At 3pm, June, Sheila and boys out of Pages Lane in Mrs Bambers car, They appeared normal. 9pm, Len F. and JB combining rape on farm. JB leaves saying his father would come down to collect the last loads. 9.30pm, Mrs Wilson farm sec. rang - Mr Bamber curt on phone - thought maybe interrupted an argument. That night Mrs B. did not go to her usual bible class. 9.30pm, Dorothy Foakes hears J's car drive off. 10pm, Pamela Boutflour rang - spoke to June / Sheila - noticedSheila passed her over to June rather suddenly not saying goodnight...

I think we BOTH know the above is NOT what I'm referring to as lies.

However, I wonder how do two women and two children in a car look other than "normal" if all are living, one woman is driving, the other is sitting beside her and the two children are in the back.

[Alias]

Lies - don´t get you anywhere. Stop lying, please. Nobody is buying it anyway so why bother.

[Jan]

I have just started reading the book by C A L . So far I have learned  little snippets about the backgrounds of June and Neville and Jeremy and Sheila . I am only about 30% through the book. I was not aware that there was talk of June and Neville  trying to adopt /foster the children themselves . Perhaps it was a combination of this plus care locally that they were considering. At the time of the murders they obviously were still very worried about Sheila and I am sure they thought they were trying to help her. But they obviously had not thought it through as there was no way Colin would have agreed . And I am sure Sheila would not have been aware of that.

[Jane]

I have just started reading the book by C A L . So far I have learned  little snippets about the backgrounds of June and Neville and Jeremy and Sheila . I am only about 30% through the book. I was not aware that there was talk of June and Neville  trying to adopt /foster the children themselves . Perhaps it was a combination of this plus care locally that they were considering. At the time of the murders they obviously were still very worried about Sheila and I am sure they thought they were trying to help her. But they obviously had not thought it through as there was no way Colin would have agreed . And I am sure Sheila would not have been aware of that.

Jan, I've said previously that I don't believe that Colin was anything like the Bambers' idea of what a good son-in-law should be, despite that he and his family spent more time caring for the boys than did they -a touch of jealousy, perhaps, but I'm more inclined to think it was about that they lived in different worlds. I don't imagine, therefore, that they gave any thought to how Colin would feel about any move on their part to take over the full time care of the children, which IMO, would have amounted to no more than a series of nannies/au pairs.

[Jan]

I agree I don't think they considered Colins opinion at all and I don't think Neville would have liked June to have full responsibility because of the possibility of a lapse in her health . And I don't think they knew what colins opinion of them was either . Because they never saw the letter did they? But because they wanted the twins they were still showing serious doubt about Sheilas capabilities .

[Caroline]

I agree I don't think they considered Colins opinion at all and I don't think Neville would have liked June to have full responsibility because of the possibility of a lapse in her health . And I don't think they knew what colins opinion of them was either . Because they never saw the letter did they? But because they wanted the twins they were still showing serious doubt about Sheilas capabilities .

I find it hard to believe that they would contemplate looking after the twins full-time because June had been exhausted looking after Nevill's mother - two young boys would take a lot of energy.