Life still means life....

[curiousessex]

18th Feb 2014....... Leading judges uphold life-means-life sentences

See link - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10645590/Leading-judges-uphold-life-means-life-sentences.html

[susan]

Hi curiousessex have watched the news and we did expect that Life means Life would be upheld but we have not yet been told if it is unlawful that no provision for review is available awaiting the small print.

[curiousessex]

Hi curiousessex have watched the news and we did expect that Life means Life would be upheld but we have not yet been told if it is unlawful that no provision for review is available awaiting the small print.

In my opinion any provision for review would need to be linked with some kind of a showing of remorse for the crimes committed.

In Jeremy's case this does not and has never applied so I begin to wonder what was the point in Jeremy bringing his part in the European Court case.

[susan]

Hi curiousessex IMO Jeremy Bamber is innocent of the horrendous murders and cannot show remorse for something he himself knows he did not do.  Just my personal take on it brought on by all the evidence that is being withheld and was destroyed

[Adam]

Hi curiousessex IMO Jeremy Bamber is innocent of the horrendous murders and cannot show remorse for something he himself knows he did not do.  Just my personal take on it brought on by all the evidence that is being withheld and was destroyed

Evidence destroyed after being submitted to the DPP, going through  a 19 day trial, court of appeal hearing & CCRC hearings.

The silencer was tested again upon Jeremys request using more advanced techniques. The result, millions to one it was not Sheilas blood.

[bigdaveglasgow75]

what i dont understand is why would jeremy chalenge a whole life tarif .if he was never going to accept guilt.for him to benifite from.the echr's decosicion.he would have to admit guilt to be paroled.

[bigdaveglasgow75]

i have a holiday home d'arcy.lol.

[bigdaveglasgow75]

adam it was said at the trial.jeremy hated farming.if so  why didd he do it wene he was on holliday adam???

[curiousessex]

Hi curiousessex IMO Jeremy Bamber is innocent of the horrendous murders and cannot show remorse for something he himself knows he did not do.  Just my personal take on it brought on by all the evidence that is being withheld and was destroyed

And what if you are wrong do you think Jeremy should be entitled to a review for a potential granting of  parole.

I know it is a difficult question to answer when you have stated your views but it remains a distinct and real possibility (as indicated by the jury) that Jeremy is guilty and has not shown any remorse for what has been done. In such circumstances should Jeremy be entitled to a potential parole?

Looking at in another way..... should any person who in cold blood has repeatedly shot two innocent sleeping children whilst also killing another three unarmed people ever have a right to release on potential parole in order to enjoy their lives with the benefit of a number of years of freedom?

[maggie]

And what if you are wrong do you think Jeremy should be entitled to a review for a potential granting of  parole.
I know it is a difficult question to answer when you have stated your views but it remains a distinct and real possibility (as indicated by the jury) that Jeremy is guilty and has not shown any remorse for what has been done. In such circumstances should Jeremy be entitled to a potential parole?
Looking at in another way..... should any person who in cold blood has repeatedly shot two innocent sleeping children whilst also killing another three unarmed people ever have a right to release on potential parole in order to enjoy their lives with the benefit of a number of years of
 freedom?

I can see your point curious and if Jeremy Bamber did cold bloodedly premeditate and carry out those murders then he is a very wicked man, no doubt about that. On the other side of the coin, I don't believe in the death sentence and is prison for life with no hope of release another form of the death penalty? I think it's a huge question which needs debating in it's own right. We claim to be a civilised country we need to be willing to look at these things. JB claims he's innocent and you think he's guilty but you can"t KNOW any more than i know if he's innocent as neither of us were there.
Just saying really.

[Adam]

I can see your point curious and if Jeremy Bamber did cold bloodedly premeditate and carry out those murders then he is a very wicked man, no doubt about that. On the other side of the coin, I don't believe in the death sentence and is prison for life with no hope of release another form of the death penalty? I think it's a huge question which needs debating in it's own right. We claim to be a civilised country we need to be willing to look at these things. JB claims he's innocent and you think he's guilty but you can"t KNOW any more than i know if he's innocent as neither of us were there.
Just saying really.

Good question from Dave.

Jeremy was classed as a life means life prisoner in 1994. If the new rule meams these people can only get parole if they show remorse for their crime,  why did Jeremy campaign ? He refuses to admit guilt in the first place.

Perhaps it was to keep his case in the public eye & get publicity. Or as the relatives said 'he has nothing better to do'.

[Caroline]

And what if you are wrong do you think Jeremy should be entitled to a review for a potential granting of  parole.

I know it is a difficult question to answer when you have stated your views but it remains a distinct and real possibility (as indicated by the jury) that Jeremy is guilty and has not shown any remorse for what has been done. In such circumstances should Jeremy be entitled to a potential parole?

Looking at in another way..... should any person who in cold blood has repeatedly shot two innocent sleeping children whilst also killing another three unarmed people ever have a right to release on potential parole in order to enjoy their lives with the benefit of a number of years of freedom?

Personally speaking, if he IS guilty, I don't think he should get parole because he has never admitted his guilt and if he does so now, it would be hardly right to parole him on the basis of an admission this late in the day. If he is guilty and admits to being so - I think he would be looking at quite a few more years before he would even be considered for any kind of release. On the other hand, If innocent he will probably never get parole anyway because he has never admitted guilt so, unless there is some magic piece of evidence that clearly puts him outside of the murder scene, then he will probably never be released. The thing is, even if you take the silencer out of the equation (and it should be taken out!!), it still doesn't clear Jeremy but it does raise many more questions.

[curiousessex]

I can see your point curious and if Jeremy Bamber did cold bloodedly premeditate and carry out those murders then he is a very wicked man, no doubt about that. On the other side of the coin, I don't believe in the death sentence and is prison for life with no hope of release another form of the death penalty? I think it's a huge question which needs debating in it's own right. We claim to be a civilised country we need to be willing to look at these things. JB claims he's innocent and you think he's guilty but you can"t KNOW any more than i know if he's innocent as neither of us were there.
Just saying really.

I think given the fate of victims such a perpetrator being kept in a secure environment with food, warmth, shelter, medical care and things to occupy themselves whether it be in recreation or in a cell is a pretty civilised response when compared to a death penalty.

Perpetrators are not sentenced to death in this country they are sentenced to being detained for a period of time which equates to a loss of some freedoms............ the freedom that is lost is the freedom others in society hopefully value enough such that the potential loss of such freedom becomes the deterrent in stopping us doing certain things like shooting children who remain asleep in bed.

[maggie]

Good question from Dave.
Jeremy was classed as a life means life prisoner in 1994. If the new rule meams these people can only get parole if they show remorse for their crime,  why did Jeremy campaign ? He refuses to admit guilt in the first place.
Perhaps it was to keep his case in the public eye & get publicity. Or as the relatives said 'he has nothing better to do'.

Or he is innocent, does it not bother you one teenzy weenzy bit that he may be speakng the truth? Are there no grey areas? Do you never just for a second think you may be wrong?

[Caroline]

I think given the fate of victims such a perpetrator being kept in a secure environment with food, warmth, shelter, medical care and things to occupy themselves whether it be in recreation or in a cell is a pretty civilised response when compared to a death penalty.

Perpetrators are not sentenced to death in this country they are sentenced to being detained for a period of time which equates to a loss of some freedoms............ the freedom that is lost is the freedom others in society hopefully value enough such that the potential loss of such freedom becomes the deterrent in stopping us doing certain things like shooting children who remain asleep in bed.

Regardless - if innocent, he shouldn't be there.