Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...

[grahameb]

How did Sheila's blood get deep into the silencer ?

You still don't get it do you Adam? You haven't been reading what I have been writing. Or you wouldn't be asking such a question.

[Jane]

How did the relatives know the RB had the same blood group as Sheila ?

If they were going to become sudden big time criminals & frame an innocent man, they would have to have known this before 14th August.

Whilst they may have "become big time criminals" in your eyes, I doubt very much that they would have seen it that way. They would have seen it as restoring the family's rightful balance. As they'd never regarded Jeremy as family, he didn't count. FAMILY was all.

[mike tesko]

How did Sheila's blood get deep into the silencer ?

The only blood found inside one of the silencers with matching blood groups (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP2-1) matching those of Robert Boutflour, and Sheila Caffell, were formed of a tiny loose flake of dried blood, which was so small it was capable of passing through the circular apertures of the said silencers end cap, top washer, and each of the 17 internal baffle plates. None of the other bloodstains found ingrained to other parts of the silencer produced blood group results making any of these other bloods exclusive to Robert Boutflour, or Sheila Caffell...

The fact that the matching blood groups were only obtained through analyzing the small loose flake of dried blood, with no corresponding blood group activity obtained from any of the fixed blood stains found upon or within a particular silencer, bodes well for the possibility that in this particular instance, the flake must have entered the silencer when its condition was different completely to the wet fresh blood which caused blood staining to become ingrained into metal upon and within the silencer...

[Adam]

You still don't get it do you Adam? You haven't been reading what I have been writing. Or you wouldn't be asking such a question.

I have not been reading todays posts.

How did Sheila's blood get inside the silencer, if she was not murdered ?

[susan]

Grahame  Ha Ha Ha your posts have such a profoud effect on some

[Adam]

(1) Sheila's. (2) Robert Boutflours. It is more reasonable to state that it was Sheila's. With the copious amouts of Sheila's blood lying about why would anyone use somebody else's.

So three days after the murder. The relatives not only find the silencer, with Basil Cock & Barbara Wilson in WHF. They also find enough blood to transfer into the silencer. Of course knowing which blood was Sheilas.

[nugnug]

they dident have to they had a pair of her blood stained underpants.

[Adam]

At least Graheme seems to agree it is extremly unlikely that the relatives were able to find out that RB & Sheila had the same blood group before the 9th August.

There was no suggestion of silencer contamination discussed in court from what I remember. Jeremy brought it up years later as he knows it is so damning. The results using more advanced technology did Jeremy no favours.

[nugnug]

they dident need to know wether they had the same blood group or not they allready had shielas blood.

[grahameb]

So three days after the murder. The relatives not only find the silencer, with Basil Cock & Barbara Wilson in WHF. They also find enough blood to transfer into the silencer. Of course knowing which blood was Sheilas.

No that is not what I said. But I ain't saying it again.

[Adam]

The blood testing  technology used for the trial was pretty advanced. Pre dating DNA testing by a about a year.

Anthony Pargeter said he saw the rifle with the silencer on the weekend before the murders. There was no reason to take it off. Why would Jeremy fully load the rifle without the silencer. The noise would mean only one shot could be fired before the alledged rabbits ran..
 

[mike tesko]

Most of the blood found inside the silencer did not match Sheila's blood, in fact the court of appeal (2002) was prepared to accept that much of this other blood originated from the other victims, namely, Ralph and June Bamber...

Yet, according to blood expert, John Hayward, the blood group results obtained from examination of the small dried flake, had an absence of AK2-1 (June Bambers), which he would have expected to find if any bodys blood had mixed with hers inside the silencer, its (AK2-1) absence ruling out a mixture of Sheila's and Junes bloods, even though the blood from victims had to pass through the small aperture on the silencers end cap, and pass through many cavities between the top washer and 17 internal baffle plates...

[mike tesko]

Most of the blood found inside the silencer did not match Sheila's blood, in fact the court of appeal (2002) was prepared to accept that much of this other blood originated from the other victims, namely, Ralph and June Bamber...

Yet, according to blood expert, John Hayward, the blood group results obtained from examination of the small dried flake, had an absence of AK2-1 (June Bambers), which he would have expected to find if any bodys blood had mixed with hers inside the silencer, its (AK2-1) absence ruling out a mixture of Sheila's and Junes bloods, even though the blood from victims had to pass through the small aperture on the silencers end cap, and pass through many cavities between the top washer and 17 internal baffle plates...

Without mixing...

[nugnug]

seems pretty obvious why the relatives wanted acess to the house after the murders.

[Adam]

seems pretty obvious why the relatives wanted acess to the house after the murders.

They were suspicious & did not think Sheila was capable of going on such a murderous rampage. Something the psychiatrists hired by the defence agreed with.