Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...

[Caroline]

In a police report, dated

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[mike tesko]

I would suggest that you would not forget the circumstances of finding the silencer in the gun cupboard, if you only. found a solitary silencer...

Things might be different if you had found two separate identical Parker Hale silencers...

[Steve_uk]

I would suggest that you would not forget the circumstances of finding the silencer in the gun cupboard, if you only. found a solitary silencer...

Things might be different if you had found two separate identical Parker Hale silencers...

The Police were not looking for a silencer that morning,and they may have been overwhelmed by what was a large residence. I'm prepared to countenance the possibility that a desperate Robert Boutflour and another man I won't name for legal reasons realized the financial consequences of the crime and took it upon themselves to shore up the evidence against Jeremy by leaving a bloodied silencer for David Boutflour to find.

[Caroline]

In a police report, dated...

David Boutflour, appears confused as to how he found the silencer in the cupboard, choosing to give two different accounts of how it was situated, located, and recovered...

Yes, I agree and in one statement he is alone, no mention of RWB being there although RWB puts himself right in the center of things. Giving advice on how it should be preserved for evidence. I'd imagine someone would remember that and include it in their statement?

[Caroline]

The Police were not looking for a silencer that morning,and they may have been overwhelmed by what was a large residence. I'm prepared to countenance the possibility that a desperate Robert Boutflour and another man I won't name for legal reasons realized the financial consequences of the crime and took it upon themselves to shore up the evidence against Jeremy by leaving a bloodied silencer for David Boutflour to find.

Finally!! So you're now willing to admit that the silencer was probably 'bogus'?

[Steve_uk]

Finally!! So you're now willing to admit that the silencer was probably 'bogus'?

I haven't changed my position at all. It anyway does not materially affect all other evidence.

[Caroline]

I haven't changed my position at all. It anyway does not materially affect all other evidence.

What? You either believe it was bogus r you don't?

[Steve_uk]

What? You either believe it was bogus r you don't?

If David Boutflour found a bloodied silencer in the gun cupboard it would be natural for him to link it with the murders. All I'm saying is that there exists a possibility that it was planted there by his father unbeknownst to himself.

[mike tesko]

Way I see it...

David Boutflour ties himself in knots trying to explain where the silencer was located inside the cupboard at the scene, choosing to give two different accounts, when in my view, if he is referring to the find of a solitary silencer, the circumstances of its find would be etched in his mind forever. The fact that he gives two accounts, suggests that he has got himself mixed up over finding two different identical looking silencers, at one time or other, in the same gun cupboard...

We have always known that there should have been two identical looking parker hale silencers at the scene at the time of the shootings, one belonging to Anthony Pargetrrs ,22 bolt action rifle, and the other belonging to the Bamber .22 semi-automatic rifle...

[mike tesko]

Way I see it...

David Boutflour ties himself in knots trying to explain where the silencer was located inside the cupboard at the scene, choosing to give two different accounts, when in my view, if he is referring to the find of a solitary silencer, the circumstances of its find would be etched in his mind forever. The fact that he gives two accounts, suggests that he has got himself mixed up over finding two different identical looking silencers, at one time or other, in the same gun cupboard...

We have always known that there should have been two identical looking parker hale silencers at the scene at the time of the shootings, one belonging to Anthony Pargetrrs ,22 bolt action rifle, and the other belonging to the Bamber .22 semi-automatic rifle...

Peter Eaton hands one of these silencers over to DS 'Stan' Jones, on 12th August,  whilst Ann Eaton hands the other silencer over to police on 11th September 1985..

[mike tesko]

The Bamber owned silencer (DRB/1), was not reportedly found until David Boutflour phoned police up on 11th September, which his sister handed over to police that same day with all the other DRB exhibits...

Peter Eaton, handed over the Anthony Pargeter silencer (SBJ/1) to Jones on 12th August 1985.

[Jane]

The Police were not looking for a silencer that morning,and they may have been overwhelmed by what was a large residence. I'm prepared to countenance the possibility that a desperate Robert Boutflour and another man I won't name for legal reasons realized the financial consequences of the crime and took it upon themselves to shore up the evidence against Jeremy by leaving a bloodied silencer for David Boutflour to find.

I can't tell you how happy it makes me to hear you acknowledge it, but I'm going to ask you to countenance one thing more, and that is that RWB had resented Jeremy from the moment of his adoption. The reasons you give, and they're valid, wouldn't apply to a man who loved his nephew in the same way as he loved his children. In fact a man who loved his nephew would have been seeking to exonerate, rather than doing everything in  his power, to convict him.

[grahameb]

If David Boutflour found a bloodied silencer in the gun cupboard it would be natural for him to link it with the murders. All I'm saying is that there exists a possibility that it was planted there by his father unbeknownst to himself.

I must admit to the fact that I struggle with this. Going on information of Vidvic who I believe to be an honest man. He has testified that both David Boutflour and Ann Eaton are honest and conscientious people and I am constrained to believe that and consider it in my theory.

It is of course just that. A theory and admittedly there is absolutely no proof to back it up. The theory is that if both Ann Eaton and David Boutflour are honest and I have no reason to believe that they are not. And also that Bamber is telling the truth. Although I am doubtful of his character. Then the silencer must have been planted there perhaps the day or several days before by person or persons unknown who were intent on seeing Jeremy convicted.

There are several people who suit this bill. But of course I have no intention of naming them. The whole family knew how to get into the house. Not just Jeremy remember. Just something to be considered and if Jeremy is innocent, then it is probably true. That is the only way Ann Eaton and David Boutflour can remain innocent of any concoction of evidence and I believe they are innocent as they have not shown any conscience to the contrary as far as I can see.

[Caroline]

If David Boutflour found a bloodied silencer in the gun cupboard it would be natural for him to link it with the murders. All I'm saying is that there exists a possibility that it was planted there by his father unbeknownst to himself.

Odd though that now Barbra Wilson is saying she saw the silencer with blood on it - she's never mentioned it before until the recent Channel 5 documentary. Makes the whole silencer finding episode even more unlikely (IMO).

[maggie]

Odd though that now Barbra Wilson is saying she saw the silencer with blood on it - she's never mentioned it before until the recent Channel 5 documentary. Makes the whole silencer finding episode even more unlikely (IMO).

It does Caroline but how could anyone have seen blood that looked like a blob of jam. They really couldn't have done, the most they would see is a dark discoloured mark??