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Offline mike tesko

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Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« on: February 16, 2014, 09:01:AM »
According to those who support the prosecutions successful prosecution, conviction and sentencing of Jeremy Bamber, as the sole perpetrator of these five killings, he was "motivated by greed" to get his hands on his parents estate(s). It is claimed that Jeremy invented a supposed telephone call received from his father (Ralph) in the middle of the night, alerting him to the fact that his sister (Jeremy's sister, Sheila Caffell) had got the gun, and that she had gone crazy, and that this invention caused police to believe upon entering the farmhouse and finding everyone shot, that Sheila had been the sole culprit and perpetrator...

Jeremy's intent then, had been to kill everyone, paving the way for his parents estate(s) to pass directly into his own hands...

Thrown into the fray, was the added twist that Jeremy's girlfriend, Julie Mugford, had later 'fessed up' to police, after separating from Jeremy, she told them that Jeremy had been planning to kill his entire family to get his hands on his parents wealth. Muford claimed that Jeremy had told her that he had paid a hit man, £2,000 to kill his family...

The fact is, however, that Jeremy ended up not inheriting his parents wealth, and nobody in their right mind would ask someone to kill five people, or to take on a contract to murder anyone for the measly sum of £400 per head. Mugford being a teacher, ought really to have been able to work that out for herself, that professional killers don't take on jobs like that for peanuts...
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2014, 09:08:AM »
Key features pointing the finger of responsibility leading to Jeremy's arrest, and conviction, relying on:-

(1) - the supposed telephone call from Ralph in the middle of the night

(2) - Mugfords revelations, that Jeremy had been planning to kill his family for a year

(3) - inheritance
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2014, 09:11:AM »
Key features pointing the finger of responsibility leading to Jeremy's arrest, and conviction, relying on:-

(1) - the supposed telephone call from Ralph in the middle of the night

Evidence is now in the public domain, to suggest that such a telephone call had been made from the scene to Jeremy's cottage, and that if true, the fact that such a call was made and received, impacts dramatically on Jeremy's culpability...
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 09:14:AM »
Key features pointing the finger of responsibility leading to Jeremy's arrest, and conviction, relying on:-

(2) - Mugfords revelations, that Jeremy had been planning to kill his family for a year

If there was any truth to what Mugford said, these deaths could have been prevented...

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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 09:17:AM »
Key features pointing the finger of responsibility leading to Jeremy's arrest, and conviction, relying on:-
(3) - inheritance

The facts are, that Jeremy did not inherit his parents wealth, but that a number of prosecution witnesses did, namely:-

Robert Boutflour
Peter Eaton
Ann Eaton
Anthony Pargeter
 
« Last Edit: February 16, 2014, 09:19:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 09:51:AM »
In addition to being deprived his rightful inheritance of his parents estate(s), he also lost out on his mothers share of grandma 'Mabel' Speakmans estate - the Eatons and Boutflours becoming the benefactors...                       
« Last Edit: February 16, 2014, 09:53:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 09:56:AM »
What a coincidence, that on the evening of 6th August 1985, that Pamela Boutflour discovers that Sheila and her children are visiting whf, and that June was going to be visiting her (Pamela) on the following day, and that she was going to be bringing Sheila and the twins with her, because June wanted Pamela to have a look at Sheila because she was behaving strangely...
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 10:00:AM »
What a coincidence, that on the evening of 6th August 1985, that Pamela Boutflour discovers that Sheila and her children are visiting whf, and that June was going to be visiting her (Pamela) on the following day, and that she was going to be bringing Sheila and the twins with her, because June wanted Pamela to have a look at Sheila because she was behaving strangely...

If we say Pamela's conversation with her sister June took place at about 10pm on 6th August 1985, then there was a interval of five hours, until Ralph (or somebody impersonating him) made the call from the scene to Jeremy at his cottage, trying to lure him to the farm...
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2014, 10:03:AM »
Once Pamela Boutflour found out that Sheila and her children were staying at the farm, and that according to June Bamber Sheila had been behaving strangely, who else did Pamela contact to relay the information about Sheila's visit and apparently her state of mind. Did Pamela relay any of this information to any other family member, or relative, any time after she had received the call from June Bamber, and prior to the call from the scene to Jeremy's cottage in the small hours of the morning...
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2014, 10:07:AM »
Once Pamela Boutflour found out that Sheila and her children were staying at the farm, and that according to June Bamber Sheila had been behaving strangely, who else did Pamela contact to relay the information about Sheila's visit and apparently her state of mind. Did Pamela relay any of this information to any other family member, or relative, any time after she had received the call from June Bamber, and prior to the call from the scene to Jeremy's cottage in the small hours of the morning...

Surely, she relayed the content of her conversation with her sister June, to her husband, Robert Boutflour, that same evening, and if so then Robert Boutflour and Pamela knew that Sheila and her children were staying at whf and all were still alive by that time / stage......
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2014, 10:11:AM »
If Pamela told her husband Robert these things, did either of them contact other family members that night, and relay the same to them?

So, technically, any number of the following relatives found out that Sheila was there that night, and that she was behaving strangely...

Robert Boutflour
Peter Eaton
David Boutflour
Anthony Pargeter


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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2014, 12:21:PM »
Evidence is now in the public domain, to suggest that such a telephone call had been made from the scene to Jeremy's cottage, and that if true, the fact that such a call was made and received, impacts dramatically on Jeremy's culpability...

Can you point me in the direction of this evidence. Is this an actual itemised phone bill showing the call or a hand written log,the one that seems to be causing confusion over the 10 minute discrepancy. If there is actual evidence,as opposed speculation regards the phone call and it's exact time from WHF?

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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2014, 06:55:PM »
http://www.innertemplelibrary.com/2010/07/jeremy-bamber-claims-he-was-framed-for-murder-by-cousins-daily-telegraph/


Jeremy says the relatives framed him.
Anyone who believes Jeremy is guilty must have or have access to compelling evidence and I for one would like to see it .

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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2014, 07:04:PM »
Anyone who believes Jeremy is guilty must have or have access to compelling evidence and I for one would like to see it .
Hello Mertol,;long time no see. Hope you are good. :)