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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2014, 11:36:PM »
N(o)M(n)H(e) what does that mean??? :-\
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« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2014, 11:38:PM »
that is you are suggesting that the twins were not fathered.by colin.they r his double.and its also slanderous mike you could be sued.

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« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2014, 12:15:AM »
hi mike what cousin mike???

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« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2014, 12:19:AM »
this is supposed to be a forum were people chat about the chosen subject.3 guests and 2 members and not 1 responce.

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« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2014, 02:06:AM »
i don't see how its relevant anyway.

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« Reply #65 on: February 17, 2014, 02:55:AM »
hes a bit all over the place  is mike tesko.

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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2014, 07:46:AM »
The point I am trying to make, is that the relatives had the opportunity and motives to carry out four of the murders, and that they also benefitted financially in dealings connected to the Osea road caravan park business, and Mabel Speakmans inheritance, by helping the police to build a case against Jeremy...

It is equally as feasible, for one or more of the relatives to have been involved in the shootings, motivated by personal circumstances and greed, than Jeremy  - the only stumbling block would be who made the two calls to police, one timed at 3.26am, the other at 3.36am, to Jeremy...
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 09:16:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #69 on: February 17, 2014, 09:20:AM »
Fact of the matter is, is that somebody from the scene did call the police some 10 minutes before someone from the scene called Jeremy at his cottage, albeit I am not convinced that the person who called Jeremy was his father...
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 09:23:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #70 on: February 17, 2014, 03:38:PM »
i see your basic point mike that the relatives did have a far greater reason to do it.

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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2014, 06:34:PM »
i see your basic point mike that the relatives did have a far greater reason to do it.

Hi nugnug,

Yes, I agree with the police approach to this matter, they knew a call from the scene to Jeremy's cottage had taken place, but were unsure who the caller had been. At first police were hoping to establish that Mathew Macdonald had been the caller, but because he had an alibi, so police dropped that approach altogether...
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 06:40:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #72 on: February 17, 2014, 07:20:PM »
are so that would that at first they excepted a call was made from the house.

so even after they suspected jeremy they still acepted that a call happend.
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« Reply #73 on: February 17, 2014, 08:04:PM »
are so that would that at first they excepted a call was made from the house.

so even after they suspected jeremy they still acepted that a call happend.

Yes, police accepted a call from the house to Jeremys cottage had taken place, backing up Jeremy's account that he had received a call from his father alerting him to the fact that someone at the farm had got hold of one of his guns, and was going crazy, in the contex of either, "Sheila had", or "She had", or "He had got hold of the gun", and that, "Sheila had", or "She had", or "He had, gone crazy, come quickly"...

police interviewed Jeremy under caution at his first arrest about the phone call in question, and he explained to police at that time, that his father had not used Sheila's name during the call, but had either said, "She has got the gun, she has gone crazy", or "He has got the gun, he has gone crazy", and that it was the person who took the call from Jeremy who changed what was actually told to him by Jeremy, by thereafter referring to the person with the gun, as "Sheila", not "She has", or "He has"...

POLICE DID NOT LIKE THIS RESPONSE OR APPROACH BY JEREMY...

They had arrested Mathew MacDonald as a possible accomplice, but had to let him go because his alibi checked out...

Instead of pushing a head with the accomplice approach, police decided to drop the accomplice approach, and pursued Jeremy as the lone shooter. They suspected that Jeremy could have called his own number and that evidence supporting this would be found on his personal answer phone machine at his cottage. Police duly seized six audio takes from the answer phone and had them analysed without finding anything incriminating to link Jeremy to the killings. The reasoning behind seizing of the audio tapes was undertaken, because if Jeremy had dialled his own telephone number from the scene, police believed that because there was noone there to receive the call, that Jeremy would have let the dialing tone ring out until sufficient time had elapsed causing the answer machine to kick in and make some sort of a recording which was different to what Jeremy was saying...

Police also had phone records which showed every call made to and from the farmhouse, which were produced in a officially formatted PDF document, confirming that such a call had been made from the scene to Jeremys cottage...

These are the facts, a call was made, but noone was absolutely sure who the caller was, or had been, with the exception of Jeremy who continued to maintain that the caller had been Ralph...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...
« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2014, 08:45:PM »
so to start with they tried to prove guilt by working around the phone call.

i think that more or less prove beyound doubt that the phonecall happend.