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Re: PC Collins looked in through wrong window to see Ralph's body
« Reply #120 on: August 19, 2011, 01:25:AM »
What was it you said about being distracted by red herrings?

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Re: PC Collins looked in through wrong window to see Ralph's body
« Reply #121 on: August 28, 2011, 09:47:PM »
PC Collins. Delgado and Alexandra's starting point, was from the corner of red/white - WPC Julia Jeapes took up the position these police officers had been keeping before they moved off with the intention of entering the farmhouse - the journey they took from the corner of white/red, took them past the main kitchen window, to the door, and from that point ion, PC Collins and Delgado went to the other window and PC Collins peered in and reported that he could see the body of a female behind the door. This window could not have been the window to the main kitchen, where the body of Ralph Bamber was eventually found, PC Collins looked through the other window...
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Re: PC Collins looked in through wrong window to see Ralph's body
« Reply #122 on: August 29, 2011, 08:24:AM »
WPC Jeapes went to a position where she could see the front door of the farmhouse, and could only have been at the position shown in the aforementioned attached diagram - this means that when she relieved PC Alexandra-Smart, PC Collins and PC Delgado, that they must have been at that side of the farmhouse, and that these three officers who were members of the raid team set off to go to the farmhouse from that vantage point. If they set off to go to the back door of the farmhouse, they would have to first of all pass the main kitchen window, then arrive at the door in question...

Other evidence suggests that PC Collins and PC Delgado went passed the door to the window beyond the door and that PC Collins peered in through the window and reported seeing the body of a female...

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The window which Collins appears to have peered into, could not have been the same kitchen that the body of Ralph Bamber was eventually found in, because Collins and the others would have looked into that window on their way to the door, but there is no evidence that they did, or if any of them did, that any of them saw anything through that window?

Here are the relevant extracts from WPC Julia Jeapes non disclosed witness statement for consideration:-



« Last Edit: August 29, 2011, 08:26:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: PC Collins looked in through wrong window to see Ralph's body
« Reply #123 on: August 29, 2011, 08:29:AM »
Whatever position WPC Julia Jeapes took up upon being deployed to the scene to take up a containment position, she had a view of the front door and the bedroom window on the first floor which she reports seeing what appeared to be a rifle leaning against the window - at a time before the raid team went to get into the farmhouse at about 7:30am...

This is where, some confusion appears in her account:-

(1) she was deployed to take up a containment position at the corner of the building known as white/red, she relieved PC's Alexander-Smart, Collins and Delgado...

(2) She could see the front door

(3) She saw a window to the right of the door which was lit up which she understood was the kitchen

(4) A window on the first floor to the right of the door was lit up

(5) She saw what appeared to be a rifle leaning up against the bedroom window

Unless the color coding which is recorded on Jeremy Bambers diagram has been altered, and is wrong, WPC Juilia Jeapes could only have been located at the time of these observations, as shown in the attached diagram...
« Last Edit: August 29, 2011, 08:37:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: PC Collins looked in through wrong window to see Ralph's body
« Reply #124 on: August 29, 2011, 08:39:AM »
This where the matter starts to get very interesting:-

Since, if WPC Julia Jeapes was referring to what appeared to be a rifle that was leaning against the window top right in these pictures (BOX room), this would be an ideal vantage point from someone upstairs to look out into the courtyard to note the arrival of anyone to the scene?

If so, what happened to this rifle at the box room window?

Did police photograph it in position, or had it gone missing by the time police got into the farmhouse?

Why would light be switched on in either children's bedroom, or box room?
« Last Edit: August 29, 2011, 08:58:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: PC Collins looked in through wrong window to see Ralph's body
« Reply #125 on: August 29, 2011, 09:01:AM »
Was WPC Julia Jeapes referring to the front door at the front of the building, as viewed from her vantage point, and if so, is she mistakenly identifying the dining room window to the right of the door as the kitchen?

If so...

Was Sheila Caffells bedroom lit up at the time of her sighting?
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Re: PC Collins looked in through wrong window to see Ralph's body
« Reply #126 on: September 04, 2011, 09:02:AM »
If we run with the theory of someone forcing Ralph to phone JB with the purpose of luring him to whf and then waiting at whf for JB to arrive some things may make sense.
It would make sense to have the bedroom light on and curtains open to draw JB to the property.
It would make sense as well to place Ralphs body in a place in the kitchen where it could not be seen from the window. If this was the plan and JB saw Ralph's body he would be unlikely to enter.
The door would be probably unlocked at this time to allow JB to enter where a person lying in wait could kill him.