Raid team were intent on shooting Sheila on sight upon entering whf...

[Alias]

No, it doesn't prove anything but it's an interesting observation to put with the others - like - it looks as though her bed wasn't slept in.

I agree + the undigested food. Sheila was up that night after the rest of the family went to bed. That is a fact (the food).
The bed and the watch help in furthering that argument.

[Caroline]

I agree + the undigested food. Sheila was up that night after the rest of the family went to bed. That is a fact (the food).
The bed and the watch help in furthering that argument.

Circumstantial it might be - but that's what convicted Jeremy!! 

[Jane]

No, it doesn't prove anything but it's an interesting observation to put with the others - like - it looks as though her bed wasn't slept in.

Can I ask, given what had happened in Sheila's life since she left hospital full of hope for the future, is it REALLY surprising that she did more than possibly lay on top of the bed for a little while perhaps contemplating through a thickening mental haze what might be a way out of her predicament.

[nugnug]

the thory would explian a lot theres only one problem with it.

if shiela had gone mad with a gun they would be within there rights to shoot her.

[maggie]

Can I ask, given what had happened in Sheila's life since she left hospital full of hope for the future, is it REALLY surprising that she did more than possibly lay on top of the bed for a little while perhaps contemplating through a thickening mental haze what might be a way out of her predicament.

Not surprising at all April, from Pamela Boutflour's statement of her phone conversation with her sister, it is pretty apparent that June was very concerned about Sheila's behaviour........... not Jeremy's ....... SHEILA'S 

[mike tesko]

the thory would explian a lot theres only one problem with it.

if shiela had gone mad with a gun they would be within there rights to shoot her.

Hi nugnug,

Correct, only once police shot her, they wrongly assumed that she was dead, when she wasn't...

It was also somewhat confusing, because it was not clear whether or not Sheila had pulled the muzzle of PS Woodcocks weapon deliberately into her own neck, and so during those first few minutes her death was being described as a suicide / murder...

[mike tesko]

Hi nugnug,

Correct, only once police shot her, they wrongly assumed that she was dead, when she wasn't...

It was also somewhat confusing, because it was not clear whether or not Sheila had pulled the muzzle of PS Woodcocks weapon deliberately into her own neck, and so during those first few minutes her death was being described as a suicide / murder...

This resulted in police passing radio messages from within the kitchen once they got there, of finding "the body of one dead male, and one dead female", and why "can someone contact the police surgeon and coroners officer regarding two bodies", and then by 7.45am, someone named 'Linda' in the control room was contacting DS Davidson at his home asking him "to attend the office because police at whf were dealing with a murder, and a suicide" - since, by 7;45am, police at the scene had already found or been dealing with two bodies, "one dead male, one dead female", which was being spoken about in terms of "a murder, and a suicide"...

[mike tesko]

It is absolutely right, that if the armed police officers had gone into the premises intent on shooting dead on sight a deranged woman who was suspected of being responsible for shooting and killing other members of her family beforehand, that when she was shot in the throat upon entry by the police it might be a justified killing, if they had in fact shot her as described, and believed her to have been killed as a result of being shot at that time. I have no doubt whatsoever, that if that first shot had killed her police would have been reporting the facts as they had occurred, but because police wrongly presumed that the first shot to the throat had killed her, and left in the kitchen for dead, whilst the remainder of the farmhouse beyond the main kitchen had to be searched, there was perhaps insufficient time for the police involved in that / this situation to spend more time trying to see if Sheila may have still been alive, even if only barely alive, since there were still many rooms downstairs and upstairs yet to be searched, and three more known about family members to locate and identify, so it was in these general circumstances that police had entered the main kitchen through an internal door behind which had been sat Ralph Bamber. His body was toppled over and ended up on the kitchen floor by the corner of the aga with his head in the coal hod. Upon squeezing through a tight gap in the aforementioned door, PS Woodcock was confronted by a deranged yet unarmed Sheila, and they were involved in a struggle as Woodcock came through the gap and around the edge of the internal door. Sheila grabbed at the barrel of Woodcocks weapon and pulled the muzzle of it into her neck, and the trigger of the police weapon was activated, discharging the original PV/20 bullet. The confrontation between Woodcock and Sheila lasted only seconds, during which time the muzzle of Woodcocks weapon came into contact with the internal wall to the right of the gap through which he had to negotiate to get into the kitchen (marks made at this time are clearly visible on the wall adjacent to the internal door, as shown in crime scene photographs taken by PC Bird)...

[mike tesko]

It is absolutely right, that if the armed police officers had gone into the premises intent on shooting dead on sight a deranged woman who was suspected of being responsible for shooting and killing other members of her family beforehand, that when she was shot in the throat upon entry by the police it might be a justified killing, if they had in fact shot her as described, and believed her to have been killed as a result of being shot at that time. I have no doubt whatsoever, that if that first shot had killed her police would have been reporting the facts as they had occurred, but because police wrongly presumed that the first shot to the throat had killed her, and left in the kitchen for dead, whilst the remainder of the farmhouse beyond the main kitchen had to be searched, there was perhaps insufficient time for the police involved in that / this situation to spend more time trying to see if Sheila may have still been alive, even if only barely alive, since there were still many rooms downstairs and upstairs yet to be searched, and three more known about family members to locate and identify, so it was in these general circumstances that police had entered the main kitchen through an internal door behind which had been sat Ralph Bamber. His body was toppled over and ended up on the kitchen floor by the corner of the aga with his head in the coal hod. Upon squeezing through a tight gap in the aforementioned door, PS Woodcock was confronted by a deranged yet unarmed Sheila, and they were involved in a struggle as Woodcock came through the gap and around the edge of the internal door. Sheila grabbed at the barrel of Woodcocks weapon and pulled the muzzle of it into her neck, and the trigger of the police weapon was activated, discharging the original PV/20 bullet. The confrontation between Woodcock and Sheila lasted only seconds, during which time the muzzle of Woodcocks weapon came into contact with the internal wall to the right of the gap through which he had to negotiate to get into the kitchen (marks made at this time are clearly visible on the wall adjacent to the internal door, as shown in crime scene photographs taken by PC Bird)...

Events from within the farmhouse were not generally reported on, between about 7;42 and 8;10am, because the raid team had to adopt use of stealth and cunning to search all the other rooms both downstairs and upstairs, beyond the main kitchen on that side of the farmhouse. This seems strange in view of all the noise and commotion created by the police of smashing the door in, and all the events leading up to them getting inside the main kitchen, involving the struggle between Woodcock  and Sheila, and the shot which had been discharged into her neck, at that time. But police had to be wary that the only other adult not yet found inside the kitchen might be lurking somewhere in another room, waiting to shoot at anything and everything that moved and breathed. Police had to adopt this approach due to the fact that Sheila was unarmed in the kitchen when she had confronted the police and been shot and killed (they wrongly thought) by them, justifiably, or not. Of course, they did not know before the remaining rooms inside the farmhouse had all been searched, that the other adult could have been armed, and possibly involved in the shooting of the dead male in the kitchen, which was why between 7;42 and 8;10am the remaining part of the operation being conducted inside whf, was carried out silently...

[mike tesko]

The actual point when Woodcock shot Sheila as he was trying to get through a gap in the internal door leading into the main kitchen, was recorded on audio tape back at the control room via the telephone eavesdrop - evidence of this is mentioned in one of the police message logs, which records that five loud knocks could be heard and the sound of voices at the time of entry...

One of the so called  five 'knocks' referred to, was in fact, the sound of PS Woodcocks weapon discharging the original PV/20 bullet into Sheila's neck, and the voices being referred to, were the verbal exchanges between Woodcock and Sheila during their confrontational struggle, aforementioned...

[mike tesko]

Police only felt confidant to enter the farmhouse at around 7;30am, because of the sudden appearance of the .22 semi automatic rifle at the upstairs bedroom window at about 7;15am, as referred to by WPC Julia Jeapes in her non disclosed witness statement...

[mike tesko]

Police only felt confidant to enter the farmhouse at around 7;30am, because of the sudden appearance of the .22 semi automatic rifle at the upstairs bedroom window at about 7;15am, as referred to by WPC Julia Jeapes in her non disclosed witness statement...

At the time Woodcock shot Sheila downstairs in the kitchen (as described), she was unarmed, and the rifle which police would later claim had fired bullet PV/20, was upstairs and in full view of police deployed in the grounds of whf deployed on containment duties - the family owned anshulz rifle could not possibly have fired the original badly fragmented PV/20 bullet into Sheila's neck downstairs in  the kitchen, when it was in full view of everybody outside the building, resting up against the bedroom window...

A different weapon fired the original PV/20 bullet into Sheila's neck, than had fired the fatal shot (later), PV/19, under her chin...

[mike tesko]

At the time Woodcock shot Sheila downstairs in the kitchen (as described), she was unarmed, and the rifle which police would later claim had fired bullet PV/20, was upstairs and in full view of police deployed in the grounds of whf deployed on containment duties - the family owned anshulz rifle could not possibly have fired the original badly fragmented PV/20 bullet into Sheila's neck downstairs in  the kitchen, when it was in full view of everybody outside the building, resting up against the bedroom window...

A different weapon fired the original PV/20 bullet into Sheila's neck, than had fired the fatal shot (later), PV/19, under her chin...

By the same token, and just as significant, is the fact that Sheila's body could not have been found on the bed, or the floor with the anshulz rifle on top of her body, as claimed in the official police account of the events, because the anshulz rifle was seen to be resting against the bedroom window at around 7;15am by Jeapes, and it was still there when the raid team entered the main bedroom upstairs and found only June Bambers body there at about 8;10am. The anshulz rifle remained at the window until about 9;12am, at which stage training officers removed it so that it could be used as a prop to measure the distance between the tip of Sheila's right hand, the trigger mechanism, and the solitary bullet hole in her throat at that stage - at this time, manipulation of the loaded anshulz rifle upon Sheila's body led to the second shot being discharged beneath her chin, killing her instantly...

[mike tesko]

By the same token, and just as significant, is the fact that Sheila's body could not have been found on the bed, or the floor with the anshulz rifle on top of her body, as claimed in the official police account of the events, because the anshulz rifle was seen to be resting against the bedroom window at around 7;15am by Jeapes, and it was still there when the raid team entered the main bedroom upstairs and found only June Bambers body there at about 8;10am. The anshulz rifle remained at the window until about 9;12am, at which stage training officers removed it so that it could be used as a prop to measure the distance between the tip of Sheila's right hand, the trigger mechanism, and the solitary bullet hole in her throat at that stage - at this time, manipulation of the loaded anshulz rifle upon Sheila's body led to the second shot being discharged beneath her chin, killing her instantly...

All the fresh looking blood which was photographed to be running, leaking and pouring from the second bullet hole under Sheila's chin, from the corners of her mouth, and her nostril, into her left eye socket, came about as a direct result of Sheila being shot on the second occasion, this can be proven by reference to the directional  blood flow which emanated from the two bullet entry wounds on her neck, since the direction of blood which flowed from each would flowed in completely different directions, the original wound creating a vertical flow of blood, whereby, the second shot beneath the chin which brought her life to a swift conclusion, ran horizontally across her neck and face. This inability to match the blood flow of the two bullet wounds on her neck, confirms that there was a considerable delay between the infliction of the two shots...

[mike tesko]

The first shot consisting of the original badly fragmented PV/20 bullet inflicted whilst Sheila was stood upright, the second shot inflicted whilst Sheila was laid down her body turned ever so slightly on its right hand side...