No court in the land, will ever accept that Sheila took her own life...

[mike tesko]

Sheila was stood up for one of the shots (PV/20), and laid down on her side for the other (PV/19)...

[Steve_uk]

Awwww Steve, I'm so overjoyed to see you that I won't mention she'd have hardly given in without a fight and left her boys to fend for themselves

She didn't know what they were doing half the time in life April,due to her illness. It was enough to keep her own life and soul together,and trusting Jeremy for those few seconds it's possible to imagine how things happened.

[lookout]

Denise Welch wrote about her nightmare of post-natal depression,which she suffered with for 20 years and how she understood those women who kill their children,then themselves. Her body was so low in oestrogen that the GP hadn't understood how she'd lived. Denise had been on the verge of post-partum psychosis. A severe drop in oestrogen after childbirth can bring about a chaotic chemical change in the body.
A week after Denises' son was born,she suffered a massive panic attack and one day her mother caught her trying to crawl out of the window. Denise had said she was completely overcome with a blackness that she just wanted it to stop.
Denise feels strongly about this illness and wishes that there were facilities for women who were suffering.

[Jane]

She didn't know what they were doing half the time in life April,due to her illness. It was enough to keep her own life and soul together,and trusting Jeremy for those few seconds it's possible to imagine how things happened.

Which is a far cry from the picture you present of the mother who was so conscious of their welfare that she never took men back to the house....................but back to this visit. I would have felt inclined to say that her senses were on high alert. She had run screaming from the monastery and had attacked the visiting electrician, ordering him, if I remember correctly, to get off "MY" property. I haven't previously questioned this wording -things often hide in plain sight- but do you not think her words worth examining? It WASN'T her property,she hadn't lived there -her choice- for some 10 years. I have to ask the question, did she KNOW where she was? Might she have thought she was still in London? Might she have thought he was a bailiff who had been sent to collect on a debt, and if she was on high alert, if her childrens' future had been discussed it's possible that she DIDN'T go to sleep that night in case they were spirited away. 

[Steve_uk]

Which is a far cry from the picture you present of the mother who was so conscious of their welfare that she never took men back to the house....................but back to this visit. I would have felt inclined to say that her senses were on high alert. She had run screaming from the monastery and had attacked the visiting electrician, ordering him, if I remember correctly, to get off "MY" property. I haven't previously questioned this wording -things often hide in plain sight- but do you not think her words worth examining? It WASN'T her property,she hadn't lived there -her choice- for some 10 years. I have to ask the question, did she KNOW where she was? Might she have thought she was still in London? Might she have thought he was a bailiff who had been sent to collect on a debt, and if she was on high alert, if her childrens' future had been discussed it's possible that she DIDN'T go to sleep that night in case they were spirited away.

I see Sheila as a rather gullible young girl,open to suggestion but more of a Puritan than people give her credit for. Her illness led her into a psychiatric hospital that's true,but she had an innate sense of morality which made her realize intrinsically that the pornographic pictures were wrong,she would have realized her behaviour in the marriage to Colin was unacceptable at times,and though she struggled manfully through her existence I believe Dr. Hugh Cameron Ferguson that Sheila would not have killed herself because "she had too much to live for ".

[Jane]

I see Sheila as a rather gullible young girl,open to suggestion but more of a Puritan than people give her credit for. Her illness led her into a psychiatric hospital that's true,but she had an innate sense of morality which made her realize intrinsically that the pornographic pictures were wrong,she would have realized her behaviour in the marriage to Colin was unacceptable at times,and though she struggled manfully through her existence I believe Dr. Hugh Cameron Ferguson that Sheila would not have killed herself because "she had too much to live for ".

I suspect those who knew her, certainly ONE of my own acquaintance,would have described her as a "wild child" who took no responsibility. That's not to say it's ALL she was, not many of us are two dimensional, however nothing she ever did during her life required her to take responsibility until she had the twins, by which time she probably, despite loving them, had little idea of how to care for them. We can have NO idea about what she thought of the photographs and without knowing their content I'm loath to call them pornographic but as I see her as being indolent by nature, I imagine she saw it as an easy way to earn money and she certainly didn't require breast augmentation to be a fashion model. I'm not certain either, marriage USUALLY being a joint arrangement, that she had any more to apologize to Colin for than he had to to her. I certainly CANNOT accept what Dr F said of her, partly because he HAD to cover his own back -he couldn't admit to how badly let down she's been- and partly because he had NO concept of what had gone on in  her life for the last 18 weeks.

[lookout]

After having been" controlled " throughout her short life,,it was Sheilas' turn to take control,,and that's exactly what she did !

For a mirror image of Sheilas' life, read about Elizabeth Haysom in Murderpedia. Middle class family whose expectations of their daughters' higher education,first at boarding school then on to greater things,was a turning point in Elizabeths' behaviour.
Elizabeth wasn't adopted,but saw her time at boarding school one where her parents " wanted to get rid of her ".

If I remember rightly,this began in 1985/6.

[susan]

Morning lookout

I think Sheila in her own mind decided to take control of matters and she did even prodding Ralph's back with the heated gun was an act of sheer contempt as much to say "I'm in control" so very very sad that more was not done to help her.   I have always thought the number 3 was significant in Sheila's mind.

[lookout]

Morning lookout

I think Sheila in her own mind decided to take control of matters and she did even prodding Ralph's back with the heated gun was an act of sheer contempt as much to say "I'm in control" so very very sad that more was not done to help her.   I have always thought the number 3 was significant in Sheila's mind.

Morning Susan,,yes,Sheila would have felt in control wielding a rifle. The only way to contain two adults.
Sheilas' remark about being a " white witch " could bear som significance with the number 3,,I don't know. I wonder if Sheila ever watched " Narnia ",the TV programme,because there was a white witch in those tales. I'll have to skim through and have a look.

[guest7363]

Morning Susan,,yes,Sheila would have felt in control wielding a rifle. The only way to contain two adults.
Sheilas' remark about being a " white witch " could bear som significance with the number 3,,I don't know. I wonder if Sheila ever watched " Narnia ",the TV programme,because there was a white witch in those tales. I'll have to skim through and have a look.

Hi lookout my favourite tv series, I think it was late 1980 that this came out. The book was written a lot earlier?

[susan]

Hello ralf  so nice to see you my friend.  Susanxxx

[guest7363]

Hello ralf  so nice to see you my friend.  Susanxxx

You too my friend xx

[lookout]

Hi lookout my favourite tv series, I think it was late 1980 that this came out. The book was written a lot earlier?

Hi Ralf,,lovely to see you.

Thankyou for that. It was a good series,,and I'd often wondered if Sheila had read the book,as there are some " scary " parts in it,,which wouldn't have been suitable for the twins at the time.Wasn't the white witch a good witch ?

[guest7363]

Hi nugnug,

I am not saying she could not have killed herself, or that she never intended to kill herself, but the facts speak for themselves, she did not kill herself - this is one of the reasons why Jeremy and myself don't see eye to eye regarding who killed who, when, where, and why?

Could this then excuse the relatives a little hear, given the facts it was either Jeremy or Sheila?

[guest7363]

Hi Ralf,,lovely to see you.

Thankyou for that. It was a good series,,and I'd often wondered if Sheila had read the book,as there are some " scary " parts in it,,which wouldn't have been suitable for the twins at the time.Wasn't the white witch a good witch ?

Hi Lookout I always thought the white witch was the mean one?