No court in the land, will ever accept that Sheila took her own life...

[Alias]

If a silencer was used, then Jeremy committed the crime.
It is too convoluted and unlikely for me that Sheila first shot her whole family, then SHE was shot by police in that manner. WHY would she be shot by police? WHY would they shoot her in that exact spot under her chin? HOW did they manage to do this?

[nugnug]

i kind of agrea with mike a bit i think trying to prove it was shiela may have been one of the reasons he was convicted.

i think sheilas the most likely suspect but i don't think it can be positively proved it was her.

[Roch]

If a silencer was used, then Jeremy committed the crime.
It is too convoluted and unlikely for me that Sheila first shot her whole family, then SHE was shot by police in that manner. WHY would she be shot by police? WHY would they shoot her in that exact spot under her chin? HOW did they manage to do this?

Mike tesko alleges that while they were attempting to configure what to do (with the use of the weapon and Sheila's person) about what had taken place during the raid, they mishandled the weapon and it went off.

[nugnug]

Hi nugnug,

I am not saying she could not have killed herself, or that she never intended to kill herself, but the facts speak for themselves, she did not kill herself - this is one of the reasons why Jeremy and myself don't see eye to eye regarding who killed who, when, where, and why?

hi mike.

i don't think any barrister would be prepared to go down that route unless there was absolute proof.

he be on very shaky ground speculating that a policeman might of done that.

[campion]

Nugnug, These are my sentiments, too.  Have I split the 'Infinitive'?

As ever Nn you are succinct and I appreciate your incisive comments

      "THE TRUTH NEVER SLEEPS, EVER" MRDAVIES (2013)

[Alias]

Mike tesko alleges that while they were attempting to configure what to do (with the use of the weapon and Sheila's person) about what had taken place during the raid, they mishandled the weapon and it went off.

If Sheila was still  alive, would they have used time to configure anything but to call an ambulance?

[lookout]

Well, 15 and 16 year old teenagers couldn't overpower their mother,who was armed with a gun,,and also smaller in stature,,when she shot them both, then shot herself. This is in Florida.
The mother was depressed.

[maggie]

Well, 15 and 16 year old teenagers couldn't overpower their mother,who was armed with a gun,,and also smaller in stature,,when she shot them both, then shot herself. This is in Florida.
The mother was depressed.

That is the problem Lookout, available guns are often the cause of these tragedies.  If this woman picked up a knife to kill her two teenage children, they would have stood a chance, possibly been able to overpower her.   The same in WHF, much harder to kill 2 fully grown fit adults with a knife.  Without the availability of guns at WHF this tragedy could very possibly have been avoided. imo.

[lookout]

That is the problem Lookout, available guns are often the cause of these tragedies.  If this woman picked up a knife to kill her two teenage children, they would have stood a chance, possibly been able to overpower her.   The same in WHF, much harder to kill 2 fully grown fit adults with a knife.  Without the availability of guns at WHF this tragedy could very possibly have been avoided. imo.

That's right,Maggie. Who's going to confront anyone who's armed with a gun/rifle ? Only someone who risks getting shot themselves.

[mike tesko]

If Sheila was still  alive, would they have used time to configure anything but to call an ambulance?

Hi Alias,

I think I should clarify the point about Sheila being alive. I don't think police thought she was still alive when they found her on the bed. I think it was a case of the police trying to figure out the best way to explain how she had been shot on the first occasion. It was during this that the loaded rifle minus its silencer, was laid upon the body with Sheila's fingers arranged upon the trigger mechanism. The police were trying to gauge if the rifle was too long, compared against the length of her arms, and the location of the solitary bullet wound in her throat?  It was whilst doing this that the fatal shot under the chin was discharged. Police did not realize that she had still been alive up to that point, it was only after the gun discharged the bullet up through the roof of her mouth and into her brain that the amount of blood which began to pour from the new wound, from the corners of her mouth, that they realized she was not dead...

[maggie]

That's right,Maggie. Who's going to confront anyone who's armed with a gun/rifle ? Only someone who risks getting shot themselves.

I agree Lookout but the phrase 'the balance of her/his mind was disturbed' used to be used often in reports of suicide and 'brainstorm' when someone lost control, probably had a psychotic episode and killed their family etc.  and in such a situation a gun openly available must almost be asking to be used in a way a knife in a drawer isn't, it almost promises to solve your problems, just squeeze the trigger and it's all over.  After all with a gun you just pick it up on the spur of the moment and press the trigger if it's loaded. It's less personal and must beckon as a way of solving all problems.  I don't believe Sheila would have killed her family if the guns weren't readily available.    

[haughton]

Jeremy may never be able to proove his innocense, but I thought it was the law to proove his guilt, which they did not !!  What happened to "without a shadow of doubt" ?




 

[Reader]

at the end of the day he does have to prove that who did it . . .

I think you meant "at the end of the day, he doesn't have to prove who did it".

We hear about mental health issues on the news again, and that GP's are no further on, nor trained in the illness and it's been like this for the past 10 years, which is a disgrace.

Was it specifically in the news that things haven't changed in the last ten years?

We're hearing of young people from their teens to age 30, are taking their lives, for a variety of different reasons, and anti-depressants are being dished out instead of properly diagnosing the type of mental illness ( because nobody is properly trained in this field of medicine )

By definition, at least two things there. A variety of reasons concedes that not everyone (even if fairly young) who ends their own life is mentally ill or on inappropriate drugs.

Because the situation now is the tip of the iceberg,,it was far worse 30 years ago !

Not necessarily, as this is saying it is now far better than it was 30 years ago.

Why has this illness been swept aside for years on end?

Presumably in part because of poor training of GPs in mental health, and in part because of the scarcity and high cost of specialist mental healthcare.

It's responsible for those who take drugs, alcoholics, behavioural problems, self-harm, suicide and of course murder.

That comes across as a sweeping generalization, especially as it makes no mention of other causes and by putting "of course" immediately before "murder" suggests that committing murder is one of the more obvious and natural consequences of being mentally ill, even in comparison with self-harm and suicide.

[mike tesko]

In many ways, Ralph Bamber, is to blame for not taking the appropriate steps to dispose of all the weapons and ammunitions kept at the farm, once he knew Sheila and the children were coming to stay with them at the farm for a few days. A shooting accident was on the cards with an unbalanced Sheila in attendance, and a room full of guns and ammunitions, readily available...

[mike tesko]

I can't understand how Ralph allowed all those guns to be laid around in the farmhouse, with Sheila's mind unbalanced...