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Offline mike tesko

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Jeremy is trying to prove that something which hadn't happened, had happened - he will never succeed...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Jeremy is trying to prove that something which hadn't happened, had happened - he will never succeed...

Because, she didn't...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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then who did.

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then who did.

Mike Tesko has been alleging for some time that police fatally shot Sheila by accident 

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then who did.

Hi nugnug,

I am not saying she could not have killed herself, or that she never intended to kill herself, but the facts speak for themselves, she did not kill herself - this is one of the reasons why Jeremy and myself don't see eye to eye regarding who killed who, when, where, and why?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Hi nugnug,

I am not saying she could not have killed herself, or that she never intended to kill herself, but the facts speak for themselves, she did not kill herself - this is one of the reasons why Jeremy and myself don't see eye to eye regarding who killed who, when, where, and why?

I think Sheila had a mental breakdown and wiped out her kids, and her parents, I do not think it ever entered her mind to take her own life...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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at the end of the day he does not have to prove  who did it or even that he dident do it he just has to prove the evidence that convicted him was wrong.
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at the end of the day he does have to prove that who did it or even that he dident do it he just has to prove the evidence that convicted him was wrong.

Hi nugnug,

to my way of thinking, Jeremy appears to be trapped in a loop, whereby he seems to believe that he has to prove that Sheila had killed herself, because of the nature of the telephone call he received from his dad (Ralph), whereas, I don't necessarily think she had to have killed herself, in that / this scenario, for his convictions to be quashed. I have been assured that she did not take her own life, I have been reassured that Jeremy did not shoot her, and he was not involved at all in the stage managing of her body with a view to fooling the police into thinking that she had killed the others and then gone on to take her own life before the police broke the door down and entered the farm house. I happen to know that she was shot by two different weapons, and that this was not a one gun crime, since two different guns fired bullets into her neck at different times of the proceedings. I happen to know that there was not a silencer fitted to the gun barrel through which the fatal bullet (in her case) PV/19, had been fired beneath her chin. I happen to know that it was the police who interfered with the various crime scenes within the farm house, and that it was the police who set about stage managing Sheila's body on the floor of the bedroom, so as to produce a false account relating to how her body was supposedly found by members of the raid team upon entering the building...

Ask yourself whether or not, if police were confronted by a deranged Sheila once they got into the farmhouse, after she had shot and killed the others, whether or not they would have shot her, or tried to talk her into giving up quietly, and into surrendering?
« Last Edit: January 15, 2014, 05:48:AM by mike tesko »
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Hi nugnug,

to my way of thinking, Jeremy appears to be trapped in a loop, whereby he seems to believe that he has to prove that Sheila had killed herself, because of the nature of the telephone call he received from his dad (Ralph), whereas, I don't necessarily think she had to have killed herself, in that / this scenario, for his convictions to be quashed. I have been assured that she did not take her own life, I have been reassured that Jeremy did not shoot her, and he was not involved at all in the stage managing of her body with a view to fooling the police into thinking that she had killed the others and then gone on to take her own life before the police broke the door down and entered the farm house. I happen to know that she was shot by two different weapons, and that this was not a one gun crime, since two different guns fired bullets into her neck at different times of the proceedings. I happen to know that there was not a silencer fitted to the gun barrel through which the fatal bullet (in her case) PV/19, had been fired beneath her chin. I happen to know that it was the police who interfered with the various crime scenes within the farm house, and that it was the police who set about stage managing Sheila's body on the floor of the bedroom, so as to produce a false account relating to how her body was supposedly found by members of the raid team upon entering the building...

Ask yourself whether or not, if police were confronted by a deranged Sheila once they got into the farmhouse, after she had shot and killed the others, whether or not they would have shot her, or tried to talk her into giving up quietly, and into surrendering?

At the end of the day, go and take a look at the typed version of the Scenes of Crime Register information, at the beginning, where it proceeds to give information about the demise of Sheila upon entry into the premises by the raid team, for example, her death is accounted for in so many different ways (without actually naming her)...

(1) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-police-used-my-familys-107641
« Last Edit: January 15, 2014, 05:54:AM by mike tesko »
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At the end of the day, go and take a look at the typed version of the Scenes of Crime Register information, at the beginning, where it proceeds to give information about the demise of Sheila upon entry into the premises by the raid team, for example, her death is accounted for in so many different ways (without actually naming her)...

(1) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-police-used-my-familys-107641
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Mike,,whatever happened,,Jeremy wasn't involved. It's no use saying----------but he said this and he said that,etc,,was arrogant,,contemptible to everyone, was greedy and after all the money.
There has to be HARD proof that he killed everyone,,,and clearly,there isn't.

How do we know if it wasn't either June or Neville that fired that first shot under her jaw ? We don't,do we ? As both would have been tired and weary and at the end of their tethers. If I was to say who did fire that first shot,,I'd say Neville,,accidentally as he tried,,in a struggle,,to retrieve the rifle from Sheila.
It's by no means impossible for Sheila to have self-inflicted that last shot as a suicidal action,,given that women who kill their children,normally comitt suicide themselves.
The time of that first injury happened in the kitchen where both Sheila and Neville were,,so it tallies with what was seen through the window,as two bodies. We don't know how long Sheila would have lain in the kitchen after the first shot,,but because it stated that it wouldn't have killed her instantly,,we believe she got up on hearing the battering ram against the front door,,and vanished up the backstairs of the farmhouse where she shot herself by administering just ONE bullet.



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What I find frustrating is.... if Jeremy's case were heard today, armed with the additional information not available at the original trial, there surely could be no other verdict than, not guilty.  Unfortunately, the burden is now on Jeremy to prove his innocence, which as time passes by seems more and more difficult to do.

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We hear about mental health issues on the news again,,and that GP's are no further on,nor trained in the illness and it's been like this for the past 10 years,,which is a disgrace.
We're hearing of young people from their teens to age 30,are taking their lives,for a variety of different reasons,and anti-depressants are being dished out instead of properly diagnosing the type of mental illness ( because nobody is properly trained in this field of medicine )
Because the situation now is the tip of the iceberg,,it was far worse 30 years ago ! 
Why has this illness been swept aside for years on end ? It's responsible for those who take drugs,,alcoholics,behavioural problems, self-harm, suicide and of course murder. 

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Morning lookout

I agree mental health issues are not being addressed professionally and poor Sheila was badly let down by the system and as a result so were her poor boys :(

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Morning lookout

I agree mental health issues are not being addressed professionally and poor Sheila was badly let down by the system and as a result so were her poor boys :(




Susan,that poor woman who killed her children last week,,couldn't cope. A hapless husband,crying baby,,rows galore,poor poor woman had reached breaking point.One child was either 3 or 5,and I know the other was a 7 month old baby.
Yes,,the system will CONTINUE to let these people down,along with hundreds more.
Doctors have finally admitted that they don't know enough about mental illness to form any opinions. They should be made to re-train given that the way of the world has changed and particularly our own country with a lack of employment for youngsters which is having a devastating effect and also creating this ticking timebomb of mental illness.
We need more money and research into this vitally important field of medicine.