No court in the land, will ever accept that Sheila took her own life...

[mike tesko]

Ralph's comment to his house keeper, "it'll be the shooting season soon, better keep an eye on those two", may have been a reference to his two grandsons, Nicholas, and Daniel, who he thought might get shot by Shelia once the shooting season got under way...

[lookout]

I think you meant "at the end of the day, he doesn't have to prove who did it".
Was it specifically in the news that things haven't changed in the last ten years?
By definition, at least two things there. A variety of reasons concedes that not everyone (even if fairly young) who ends their own life is mentally ill or on inappropriate drugs.
Not necessarily, as this is saying it is now far better than it was 30 years ago.
Presumably in part because of poor training of GPs in mental health, and in part because of the scarcity and high cost of specialist mental healthcare.
That comes across as a sweeping generalization, especially as it makes no mention of other causes and by putting "of course" immediately before "murder" suggests that committing murder is one of the more obvious and natural consequences of being mentally ill, even in comparison with self-harm and suicide.

Reader,,I think you'd better buy a newspaper,or read the news because that's where I got these latest statistics from,,not the top of my head. Anti-depressants ARE too freely handed out without a proper diagnosis having been made. As I'd said,,because doctors aren't up to speed with the variants of mental illness. Sadly,,one size doesn't fit all when it comes to treating " depression ".

[mike tesko]

Why did DS 'Stan' Jones seize silencer SBJ/1 at the scene, on the first morning of the police investigation?

[mike tesko]

With the anshulz rifle leaning against the inside of the bedroom window from just after the arrival at the scene of WPC Julia Jeapes at 7am, how could the first wound inflicted across Sheila's neck downstairs, have been inflicted by use of the rifle upstairs at the window?

[Jan]

Just  a thought - and I don't like to sound morbid - even if the balance of your mind was unsettled , if you were going to kill yourself  where or how would you do it? I am not sure a rifle would be the weapon you would use and the throat would not be the place which would immediately come to mind?

If you did have the rifle and felt you were under pressure and wanted to kill your self - where would you put the gun? I would have thought in your mouth?

Sorry to be explicit but to shoot yourself the way the police allege that she did does seem a bit odd?

[maggie]

Ralph's comment to his house keeper, "it'll be the shooting season soon, better keep an eye on those two", may have been a reference to his two grandsons, Nicholas, and Daniel, who he thought might get shot by Shelia once the shooting season got under way...

You're right Mike, that is a possibility he was speaking about the twins, even if not about Sheila.  I agree it's surprising that Ralph wasn't more careful about guns ad ammo with the twins about but I believe this is the way farmers lived.  I assume that is the way Jeremy and Sheila grew up and they were told not to touch and were expected to obey?
Would guess it never entered Ralph's mind that Sheila would ever pick up a gun and use it. 

[susan]

Hello jansus suicide by gunshot is indeed the most popular method as it is quick and painless.  With a revolver the shot is usually to the head but with a long gun the weapon is placed under the chin or mouth.  tyler posted up an article sometime ago on this subject it was very interesting I am sure it will be on the internet somewhere or we could ask her when she is on again.

[Jan]

Hello jansus suicide by gunshot is indeed the most popular method as it is quick and painless.  With a revolver the shot is usually to the head but with a long gun the weapon is placed under the chin or mouth.  tyler posted up an article sometime ago on this subject it was very interesting I am sure it will be on the internet somewhere or we could ask her when she is on again.

thanks for your reply - its hard to apply logic to what would happen anyway because Sc obviously did not premeditate any of what happened and was not of sound mind. I think my instinct would be in the mouth.

[susan]

jansus I suppose with a rifle if you lie down and hold the gun under your chin it will be easy and quick.  The article tyler put up was so interesting it told everything connected with this type of suicide and think it would be so easy suppose the mouth would be easy too.

[lookout]

The rifle found on,or near Sheilas' body wasn't the one which was damaged. Where was that one ?

[Steve_uk]

I'm afraid I don't accept much of this reasoning so far,ingenious as some of it may be. The inquest gave an open verdict I believe,not unlawful killing,the blood spatter suggests Sheila was lying down for both shots,the remark about Nevill having to be wary of "those two"was made after a threatening telephone call he received connected with his job as a magistrate and should not be confused with the "I must never turn my back on that young man" remark,and if the Police did shoot Sheila I doubt the photograph of the scene PC Woodcock is alleged to have witnessed around 7:34am would ever have been taken,let alone seen the light of day.

[Caroline]

I'm afraid I don't accept much of this reasoning so far,ingenious as some of it may be. The inquest gave an open verdict I believe,not unlawful killing,the blood spatter suggests Sheila was lying down for both shots,the remark about Nevill having to be wary of "those two"was made after a threatening telephone call he received connected with his job as a magistrate and should not be confused with the "I must never turn my back on that young man" remark,and if the Police did shoot Sheila I doubt the photograph of the scene PC Woodcock is alleged to have witnessed around 7:34am would ever have been taken,let alone seen the light of day.

No, you are assuming that, the above comment was made in front of someone to do with the tenancy of WHF but I can't remember his name. There was no explanation give as to who or what Neville was referring to.

[mike tesko]

"I must never turn my back on that young man" remark

Since the young man in question was never named, it could have been a reference to anyone, including Anthony Pargeter, David Boutflour, or Peter Eaton...

[mike tesko]

if the Police did shoot Sheila I doubt the photograph of the scene PC Woodcock is alleged to have witnessed around 7:34am would ever have been taken,let alone seen the light of day.

Photographs of Sheila on the bed were not taken until after 9 O'clock, and before 9.12 /9.22am, which is the time the loaded anshulz rifle from the bedroom window was being used as a prop on her body to gauge whether or not police could suggest that the original neck wound inflicted downstairs in the kitchen could have been done with use of that rifle, rather than PC Woodcocks police issue one...

For the record, Essex  police have never officially denied that photographs of Sheila on the bed were taken, or that such photographs and corresponding photo' negatives still exist, if you know different please direct me to this somewhat revealing information or evidence...

[mike tesko]

All the police have to do, is make a simple public announcement that Sheila's body was never photographed on the bed, and that no such photographic negatives relating to this exist...

Despite evidence coming to light in 2004 that such photographs of Sheila on the bed were taken, the police have not denied that such photographs had been taken, before her body had been moved to the bedroom floor and stage managed there by police, not by Jeremy or anybody else, Since, Robert Boutflour, David Boutflour, Anthony Pargeter and Ann Eaton, did not stage manage Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, and neither did any hit man, named, or otherwise...