A Killer Will Always Leave Something.

[grahameb]

Sheila was not a danger to her sons-let's nail that big lie right now. Had they felt that way the twins would have told Colin. I also checked up on the "So she's finally done it" remark made by Colin on the doorstep,which was made upon learning of Sheila's death but before he had been informed his sons had also been slain. Had Nevill and June perceived their daughter as a threat they would have told Pamela on the telephone,and as for the gun lying on the settle in the scullery this had been done before according to Robert Boutflour's typewritten notes,evoking a fear from Nevill to him as well as to Barbara Wilson concerning the lethal cocktail of Jeremy alongside weapons.

That is the problem with some mental conditions. They ARE unpredictable. Even if you believe Jeremy was the murderer, the same thing could be said of him. Especially as you have already stated that Nevill had told someone that he must "never turn his back on that boy"? The the sad fact is that in both cases Nevill did not perceive it.

[lookout]

Really and truthfully,,if it was Jeremy who Neville meant,,then why didn't Neville do something about it at the time ? I'd have taken something like that as a threat,myself,as would the police had they been told.

[gringo]

From Colin's book,chapter one,

It was just after midday on Wednesday,7 August 1985,that I went to answer an unexpected ring on the doorbell - I was about to make lunch for myself.
'Mr.Colin Caffell?'
'Yes'
'Do you know Sheila Caffell?'
'Yes,she's my ex-wife.What's wrong?'
'I'm afraid we have to tell you that she's dead.'
Those words caught me completely off guard.
'Oh no,then she finally did it!' I said,almost thinking out loud.
With Bamb's recent history of mental illness,the possibility of suicide rang horribly true,but I didn't have a chance to think or ask questions.The policewoman went on:
'Are you the father of Nicholas and Daniel Caffell?'
'Yes,' I said,feeling a terrible panic rising inside me. I didn't want them to say anything else.
'I think we had better go into your flat,where it's more private.'
I then noticed that my neighbours had opened their door a chink.
Once inside,we went to my living - room,and the dark-haired policewoman vanished into the kitchen.
'Mr Caffell,I'm afraid I have to tell you that both your sons,Daniel and Nicholas, are also dead There has been a shooting at a farmhouse in Essex;there are also two other adults dead...'

(Note) I have only posted this excerpt from Colin's book for those who haven't read it,to dispel the myths of what Colin is alleged to have said or not to have said. The post may be an infringement of copyright laws and therefore I fully understand if it needs to be deleted.

Thanks for that ,Tyler. The conversation according to Colin, whilst confirming that he was told first of Sheila's death first does nothing to dispel the notion that Colin was willing to accept that Sheila was responsible.
   When first told that Sheila was dead , according to Colin, he has leapt to the conclusion that Sheila was responsible without being told that she was.
   As there is no correction to this assumption on being told of the twins deaths then it is fair to assume that he still felt that "she finally did it".
   Colin , according to this conversation was told of Sheila's death and assumed that she had committed suicide without being told and it can be further inferred that he had a reasonable expectation that this was in some way expected.
    So even accepting that he was told of Sheila's death first it cannot be inferred that that he had any trouble accepting that Sheila was responsible and in fact the opposite is true.
 

[lookout]

Agreed,Gringo.

[gringo]

Agreed,Gringo.

hi lookout, it is illuminating that according to this version Colin never asked how Sheila had died and no explanation was offered before Colin assumed suicide on Sheila's part.
    Doesn't this tell us that Colin was well aware of Sheila's state of mind and what he thought her capable of. Upon being told of Sheila's death there were many possibilities as to how she died but tellingly Colin assumed suicide.

[lookout]

hi lookout, it is illuminating that according to this version Colin never asked how Sheila had died and no explanation was offered before Colin assumed suicide on Sheila's part.
    Doesn't this tell us that Colin was well aware of Sheila's state of mind and what he thought her capable of. Upon being told of Sheila's death there were many possibilities as to how she died but tellingly Colin assumed suicide.

Of course Gringo. None of us knew,,or will ever know what went on,or what was ever said/discussed behind the closed doors of their apartment at Maida Vale.
Let's face it,though I haven't read Collins book,,he wasn't likely to divulge that which could easily have got Jeremy off the hook.

[Alias]

Of course Gringo. None of us knew,,or will ever know what went on,or what was ever said/discussed behind the closed doors of their apartment at Maida Vale.
Let's face it,though I haven't read Collins book,,he wasn't likely to divulge that which could easily have got Jeremy off the hook.

This has been said before, but just imagine the difference for Collin from Sheila being the guilty one or Jeremy. In the first case, Colin would have had to bear the burden of a guilty conscience for driving Sheila and the twins down to WHF and then whisking away. He trusted the twins with Sheila, which he probably shouldn´t have done. With Jeremy guilty, Colin can live his life free of a guilty conscience. No wpnder it is so easy for him to deem Jeremy the guilty party.
Imagine the opposite: a mother drives her severely mentally ill ex-husband and their two sons to the ex´s parents, then hurries off to be with her new lover. How would people perceive that?

[maggie]

This has been said before, but just imagine the difference for Collin from Sheila being the guilty one or Jeremy. In the first case, Colin would have had to bear the burden of a guilty conscience for driving Sheila and the twins down to WHF and then whisking away. He trusted the twins with Sheila, which he probably shouldn´t have done. With Jeremy guilty, Colin can live his life free of a guilty conscience. No wpnder it is so easy for him to deem Jeremy the guilty party.
Imagine the opposite: a mother drives her severely mentally ill ex-husband and their two sons to the ex´s parents, then hurries off to be with her new lover. How would people perceive that?

It's true Alias, I have thought this myself for a long time.  It isn't any slur on Colin, it is just human nature, guilt is a very heavy burden to carry along with his loss, it's totally understandable that Jeremy as the murderer would give Colin someone to blame and direct his anger towards.

[lookout]

I'm afraid that Colin was thinking of Colin !

[HMEssex]

This has been said before, but just imagine the difference for Collin from Sheila being the guilty one or Jeremy. In the first case, Colin would have had to bear the burden of a guilty conscience for driving Sheila and the twins down to WHF and then whisking away. He trusted the twins with Sheila, which he probably shouldn´t have done. With Jeremy guilty, Colin can live his life free of a guilty conscience. No wpnder it is so easy for him to deem Jeremy the guilty party.
Imagine the opposite: a mother drives her severely mentally ill ex-husband and their two sons to the ex´s parents, then hurries off to be with her new lover. How would people perceive that?

I agree.  However, at the time, probably with no one else available to look after the twins, I think he must have felt the twins to be safer with the grandparents taking care of all three, obviously knowing he couldn't leave them alone with Sheila.

[Alias]

I agree.  However, at the time, probably with no one else available to look after the twins, I think he must have felt the twins to be safer with the grandparents taking care of all three, obviously knowing he couldn't leave them alone with Sheila.

Yes, absolutely. That is what he would have thought; but I think he still would have kept turning it in his mind that he should not have trusted her being with the boys.
I wonder if Colin knew what Sheila had told her doctor: that the twins were the Devil´s children and that she was afraid they would rape and kill her.

[susan]

Alias/HMEssex  I wonder if Colin who seems a decent guy ever has any pangs of guilt at leaving his boys with Sheila and wonder if he has thought he could have done more. 

[susan]

lookout now Colin is older and more mature bet he thinks differently.

[HMEssex]

lookout now Colin is older and more mature bet he thinks differently.

Not necessarily, he's taken on the official line.  He has a new life, new wife, teenage daughters he escorts to concerts.  No doubt he thinks of the twins everyday, and it's an horrible and painful memory, but he's moved on.

[lookout]

lookout now Colin is older and more mature bet he thinks differently.

Maybe,Susan,,but he'll never ever get over losing his boys.