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Offline maggie

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2014, 09:56:PM »
Anthony Pargeter with his perfect eyesight from shooting spotted tiny scratches on Jeremy's hands,which  even Ann Eaton missed.
Jeremy was a farmer, he'd been harvesting, his hands would have had tiny scratches.

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2014, 10:13:PM »



Yes Jansus. Steve has, on many occasions,  made reference to blood in Nevill's car, the inference of course being that it had to do with Jeremy. I wonder how he managed to get blood in his father's car whilst driving his own or riding a bike.

It was animal blood wasn't it?   ???

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2014, 10:18:PM »
It was animal blood wasn't it?   ???



I guess it wouldn't be improbable to find animal blood SOMEWHERE is a farmer's car. If my friends are anything to go by, USUALLY in the boot.

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2014, 10:21:PM »
Happy new year all I took a break from posting, while patti  raises some good points its worth remembering also the lowdowns, back then and today im sad to say police investigations in crimes like these are still poor little if anything has been learned, what we don't have is mindblowing csi type investigations, as to evidence still left behind that's quite possible, I can say on a recent break to slough , Windsor  I visited a house that was used in a 1970s  television series I will not disclose its location but I was surprised apart from a change to the garden the house looked the same , likewise inside/outside WHF that seems to be also, evidence in some shape or form I would guess still exists there to this day.

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2014, 10:31:PM »
Happy New Year to you too, Mertol. I think you're right. We've all become so used to the sophisticated methods used in CSI that we forget that plod method was the rule of the day in the 1980's. I rather imagine that WHF will still look the same if it's standing 100 years from now. Those Georgian houses are very difficult to change in any way.

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2014, 10:35:PM »
Happy new year to you too, mertol!  :)

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2014, 02:47:AM »
Yet you're quite happy with the concept that any anomaly that has come to light in the secondary investigation that gunned for JB, is merely a benign mistake.  All of the mistakes in the scondary investigation (which appear to many as resembling tried and tested corruptive practice among 80's police forces), are perfectly acceptible...

Whereas any mistakes that went on prior to JB being suspect in the initial investigation are representitive of poor professionalism on the part of the officers concerned.
The widely accepted version of events regarding the initial poor investigation is in my opinion a smokescreen for corrupt practice. Holding their hands up to poor investigation effectively lets EP off the hook and places the blame on Taff Jones who is not able to defend the initial investigation.
       As you observe the "mistakes" made in the secondary investigation could all be explained with reference to the "tried and tested" corruption of 80's police practice.
     Given what is now known and undisputed regarding police corruption, and the many wrongful convictions of this era which occurred because of this widespread, some would say institutionalised, corruption, I am constantly amazed that anyone believes the fanciful and implausible reasons given by the police for these discrepancies.
     The police of this time are proven liars and manipulators of evidence and as such where discrepancies occur that can be explained either by corruption or genuine error, it is reasonable to infer that it is more likely to be the former rather than the latter, especially so given the continued refusal of EP to hand over evidence requested by the defence.
     Only one side in this are unwilling to have all evidence out in the open and the implications of this refusal are surely that EP have something to hide.
     Many posters make reference to the many "myths" that there seem to be about this case and in my opinion the biggest myth is that the first investigation was botched. It is more likely that the entry to the farmhouse was botched. The covering up of the botched raid led to circumstances that made it expedient for EP to blame Bamber and therefore the initial investigation needed to be discredited as a damage limitation exercise.   
     Conveniently the blame for the supposed botched investigation could be placed on the deceased "Taff Jones".
     I don't believe that their was much to investigate anyway really . The events throughout the night and the knowledge of being party to what was an obvious siege that night meant that the police knew exactly what had happened. They hadn't sat outside a silent house with no movement all night without approaching until 7.30 and it is absurd to think so. The belief that Bamber kept them away with his manipulative ways is not tenable and stretches credulity beyond breaking point.
    There was nothing to investigate because the police were witness to the events that night .
     
     
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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2014, 10:32:AM »
I so agree with you Gringo. Exactly ! There was NOTHING to investigate that night.Never a truer word.

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2014, 06:09:PM »
Anthony Pargeter with his perfect eyesight from shooting spotted tiny scratches on Jeremy's hands,which  even Ann Eaton missed.


For goodness sake !!!!! He worked on a farm  >:(  what would you expect. Sometimes I despair of some of your comments. My dad was a farmer and his hands were always scratched/bruised and most of the time dirty . It comes with the occupation and proves nothing.

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2014, 06:31:PM »
It was animal blood wasn't it?   ???

I thought that I had read that it was NB blood but I may be wrong - and if it was it was such a small amount it was inconsequential . I think that most people would accept that on a farm because of the nature of the work you would get small amounts of human blood and animal blood anyway. It comes with the nature of the work.

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« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2014, 06:34:PM »
I thought that I had read that it was NB blood but I may be wrong - and if it was it was such a small amount it was inconsequential . I think that most people would accept that on a farm because of the nature of the work you would get small amounts of human blood and animal blood anyway. It comes with the nature of the work.

You probably right, I wasn't sure.  :-\

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2014, 07:19:PM »
Jeremy was a farmer, he'd been harvesting, his hands would have had tiny scratches.
If they were of any significance The police I am sure would have picked up on then?

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2014, 07:40:PM »
If they were of any significance The police I am sure would have picked up on then?

And all the relatives as well as they were convinced he was guilty -they must have been pretty insignificant.

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2014, 08:06:PM »
If they were of any significance The police I am sure would have picked up on then?


As in gouges up his arms etc?

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Re: A Killer Will Always Leave Something.
« Reply #59 on: January 09, 2014, 08:27:PM »

As in gouges up his arms etc?




Yes,HME,,he'd have had those alright if he'd gone near the boys,,threatening in any way.