An alibi from Neville is better than no alibi at all :

[Jane]

Jeremy phoned Chelmsford police station. Rather than dialling Witham or 999 ?

Your quote "SO WHAT"

[susan]

Adam you have told us this many times and your point being

[Jane]

Bike was brought to the cottage just before the murders. Jeremy said his relationship with Julie was coming to a close.

Your quote "SO WHAT"

[Adam]

An excellent summary - one that Adam would do well to read and start thinking about .

The police went with Sheila because Jeremy lead them there.

The police also found Sheila with a shot gun next to her when they entered WHF.

[susan]

Adam your point being

[maggie]

Hopefully Grahame will either discuss my posts & threads. Or ignore me.

Making personal attacks means he knows he is losing the debate. It is also immature.

Why are you singling Grahame out for a personal attack?

[Jane]

Your points aren't good, just repetitive!!

And childish to the point of kindergarten behaviour.

[Roch]

Can't argue with that Roch except did he display a lack of grief any more than many people would?  There is no model for grief we all behave differently and sometimes the greater the trauma the stranger the reaction imo.

I do believe that some people have demonised Jeremy.  He does appear to be an either liked or disliked character with there being no middle ground.  I have theory but that is all it is.  I suspect that Jeremy experienced initial shock, pain and anguish when outside WHF with police.  This initial shock then became overlayed with a sense of freedom of movement / action.  He was after all, suddenly presented with  enormous changes in his life, without the shackles of parents being in place.

[susan]

Adam the police found Sheila with a shotgun now that is new informstion for me.  Well done I missed that.

[Adam]

That's a bit pots and kettles!! You've been asked questions and refuse to answer. That's NOT debate!!

Ask me a JB question. I will answer. As I always do.

Not the one you have been asking me the last few days. I have already answered it.

[Adam]

Adam the police found Sheila with a shotgun now that is new informstion for me.  Well done I missed that.

Teamwork.

[lookout]

What springs to mind here is that the reviewing officer was in all likelihood, not prepared to become corrupted, as was being expected of him.  He failed to come up with the goods that had been requested by ACC Simpson, Robert Boutflour and their lackeys (for example Mick Ainsley, the ubiquitous Stan Jones and Bob Miller).

Two sets of EP officers.  One set outside the reach of Robert Boutflour.  One set within the reach of Robert Boutflour.

Roch,your posts are what the majority of us think,,and brilliantly put by your good self.

[Adam]

It's not credible for so many officers of such differing levels of experience, grades and roles to be incredibly stupid concurrently.

The reason why police went with Sheila is because they knew what had happened in the farmhouse.  That being so, the evidence of what had happened caused a reviewing officer to reach the same conclusion approx one month later.

The reason why Mugford gave evidence against Bamber was because she found her self in the position of being a pawn, with only one way to move out of the danger threatening to engulf her. 

The reason why some senior EP officers turned on Bamber is because they were corrupt, within the reach and influence of Robert Boutflour and under pressure of having to face something become exposed, namely the events surrounding the TFG operation and it's aftermath.

The reason why the relatives went for Jeremy Bamber is because they knew nothing of note regarding Sheila's condition, her episodes or her psychology.  And because they regarded him as a threat to their own livelihoods.  He became in effect, not 'one of them' (at least if he ever had been, he certainly wasn't after 7th Aug).   

The reason why Jeremy Bamber became the scapegoat was because the only people able or willing to protect him from such malicious actions against his person were  both killed by his sister on 7th Aug.  He had no protection from Robert Boutflour.  It has to be said also, that arguably, he lent him self to being framed by having committed petty crime and in the eyes of some, displaying arrogance and a lack of grief.

Unluckiest man ever ? Or murderer ?

Girlfriends, relatives, EP, the courts will all be slaughtered if Jeremy was released.

[Roch]

BRILLIANT post, Roch

Thanks 

[maggie]

I do believe that some people have demonised Jeremy.  He does appear to be an either liked or disliked character with there being no middle ground.  I have theory but that is all it is.  I suspect that Jeremy experienced initial shock, pain and anguish when outside WHF with police.  This initial shock then became overlayed with a sense of freedom of movement / action.  He was after all, suddenly presented with  enormous changes in his life, without the shackles of parents being in place.

I agree there may have been a bit of that Roch but it was a dreadful trauma to come to terms with and he spoke about mood swings almost like bipolar which isn't that unusual imo.