An alibi from Neville is better than no alibi at all :

[nugnug]

so whats clear is the police were clearly trying to build the case around the phonecalls to start with wich means they must of acepted the phone calls happened.

i wonder weather that was why the hitman theory was brought in.

[Steve_uk]

Firstly the original documents either no longer exist or are being withheld. At 4.41 on the video PC West makes a note of the shotguns,which is how PC Bonnett may have got hold of the information. On Jeremy's official site it tells us Nevill telephoned his son before calling the Police. In this case we are now supposed to believe that Nevill was not cut off by Sheila at all during his call to Jeremy,but replaced the receiver and made a subsequent call to Police,something which I find hard to believe.http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/nevill-s-call-to-police

[nugnug]

well the records show a car was dispached 1 minute before jeremy called the police meaning nevile must of phoned them.

[Steve_uk]

well the records show a car was dispached 1 minute before jeremy called the police meaning nevile must of phoned them.

If a clock is misread by ten minutes it could be misread by eleven,unless I have missed something.

[nugnug]

Firstly the original documents either no longer exist or are being withheld. At 4.41 on the video PC West makes a note of the shotguns,which is how PC Bonnett may have got hold of the information. On Jeremy's official site it tells us Nevill telephoned his son before calling the Police. In this case we are now supposed to believe that Nevill was not cut off by Sheila at all during his call to Jeremy,but replaced the receiver and made a subsequent call to Police,something which I find hard to believe.http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/nevill-s-call-to-police

it said the phone nobodys mentioned shiela cutting him off.

[Jane]

Firstly the original documents either no longer exist or are being withheld. At 4.41 on the video PC West makes a note of the shotguns,which is how PC Bonnett may have got hold of the information. On Jeremy's official site it tells us Nevill telephoned his son before calling the Police. In this case we are now supposed to believe that Nevill was not cut off by Sheila at all during his call to Jeremy,but replaced the receiver and made a subsequent call to Police,something which I find hard to believe.http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/nevill-s-call-to-police

Steve, as far as I know, nobody from the innocent side has ever offered a cut and dried scenario of the sequence of phone calls, primarily because, unlike yourself, who seems to know everything, as none of us were there, NONE of us can know. I can think of no valid reason NOT to believe that Nevill WASN'T cut off by Sheila, having never considered it to be an option in the first place.

[nugnug]

that would rest on the asumption that nevile phoned jeremy before phoneing the police and not after.

[Roch]

Jeremy may have been interviewed straight away by the police & been a suspect much sooner. Especially if he showed indifference to the deaths. He would have no alibi....

So it makes sense for Jeremy to phone the police & lead them in a direction on the back of Nevilles call. Giving himself an alibi at the same time which cannot be disproven. The police did not know Jeremy and  would surely never believe Jeremy would committ such a horrific crime....

The longer the delay between his 3.26am phone call & the discovery of the bodies, the more it gets into everyones mind sets that there really is a crazy woman with a gun still alive inside. Jeremy could spend several hours continuing to enlighten everyone about his 'nutter' sister & Nevilles phone call /alibi....

The Raid Team would automatically be called in a seige situation. Delaying things by several more hours. Jeremys Neville phone alibi is becoming more plausible by the minute....

So the phone call to the police meant Jeremy could work with & assist the police. Use his charm to become their buddies. Give them his version of events & look upset when the bodies are discovered. By 9am that morning & for the next few weeks, Neville's alibi had worked....

The the yarn that cops where somehow misled by Jeremy falls apart the moment all of the them have stepped inside the farmhouse and witnessed the scene for themselves.  It's an invention employed by thrifty police on the hoof in desperate circumstances.  They were resourceful and put to good use any aspect that could be twisted to imply guilt or cunning on the part of Jeremy. 

Have you seen how staged Sheila Caffell looks in her crime scene pics?  How on earth could both senior and junior officers, both soc and photographers be misled from the off by Bamber, after witnessing first hand for them selves that a woman with two gunshot wounds to the neck lay in a posed manner with a gun and bible resting upon her person in unlikely positions?

It's bullshit.  It's a yarn. 

[grahameb]

The the yarn that cops where somehow misled by Jeremy falls apart the moment all of the them have stepped inside the farmhouse and witnessed the scene for themselves.  It's an invention employed by thrifty police on the hoof in desperate circumstances.  They were resourceful and put to good use any aspect that could be twisted to imply guilt or cunning on the part of Jeremy. 

Have you seen how staged Sheila Caffell looks in her crime scene pics?  How on earth could both senior and junior officers, both soc and photographers be misled from the off by Bamber, after witnessing first hand for them selves that a woman with two gunshot wounds to the neck lay in a posed manner with a gun and bible resting upon her person in unlikely positions?

It's bullshit.  It's a yarn.

Either that, or they were incredibly stupid.

[Jane]

Either that, or they were incredibly stupid.

OR....................Adam's thinking is??

[Roch]

Either that, or they were incredibly stupid.

It's not credible for so many officers of such differing levels of experience, grades and roles to be incredibly stupid concurrently.

The reason why police went with Sheila is because they knew what had happened in the farmhouse.  That being so, the evidence of what had happened caused a reviewing officer to reach the same conclusion approx one month later.

The reason why Mugford gave evidence against Bamber was because she found her self in the position of being a pawn, with only one way to move out of the danger threatening to engulf her. 

The reason why some senior EP officers turned on Bamber is because they were corrupt, within the reach and influence of Robert Boutflour and under pressure of having to face something become exposed, namely the events surrounding the TFG operation and it's aftermath.

The reason why the relatives went for Jeremy Bamber is because they knew nothing of note regarding Sheila's condition, her episodes or her psychology.  And because they regarded him as a threat to their own livelihoods.  He became in effect, not 'one of them' (at least if he ever had been, he certainly wasn't after 7th Aug).   

The reason why Jeremy Bamber became the scapegoat was because the only people able or willing to protect him from such malicious actions against his person were  both killed by his sister on 7th Aug.  He had no protection from Robert Boutflour.  It has to be said also, that arguably, he lent him self to being framed by having committed petty crime and in the eyes of some, displaying arrogance and a lack of grief.

[Adam]

Don't feed the troll Susan. History tells us that making up a story about his father phoning him was obviously not a great idea. End of. All the guilty lot can do is repeat themselves again and again. Just break the record. Why continue with these luny speculations?

Grahame. You asked for documentation recently to back up what I had said. I gave it to you.

I then asked you for some documentation. You said no. Probably because you did not have it.



You then sulked & said you were not responding to my posts because I would not change my mind on Jeremy.

You have now resurfaced on my thread. Rather than discussing my points raised, you have called me a troll. Perhaps because my points are good.

Please make up you're mind & stop being such a baby.

[Adam]

Well said Grahame, we are allowing him to continue with his propaganda by interacting with him.

He still hasn't answered what his true opinion on the discrepancies between the two telephone logs especially Sheila's age, unless his only opinion really is .......'so what'.

I wrote a long thread based on the facts of the case.

If you think they are good points, say so. If you do not want to say so because you support Jeremy, ignore the thread.  Don't change the focus on me.

I answered you're question several times.

[susan]

Hi Roch

an excellent post and all so very true.  Poor Jeremy was led like a lamb to slaughter with no protection from anyone and I am afraid he did not help himself but I put this down to his upbringing and immaturity.  Julie got herself in a situation where she had to go with the flow and turn it to her advantage which she did of course.  The relatives did benefit from Jeremy being sent to prison and so did Julie poor Jeremy was the one who lost everything that was rightfully his along with his liberty.  I suspect his parents loved him dearly and would be mortified if they knew how things had turned out.  Very very sad indeed

[Adam]

Hi Adam

We could spend the next 20 years discussing scenarios, but they are meaningless without proper forensic and factual evidence.  You might wish to answer these couple of questions.

1, Were there any witnesses?

2, Did the SOCO's find any fibres or any fingerprints belonging to Jeremy in any of the upstairs rooms?

3, Did the police prove beyond a doubt that Jeremy got into WHF vis a bathroom window and exit through a kitchen window?

4 Was it really proven beyond a doubt the sequence of calls made that night?

5, Was there any proof that the bicycle was used?

6, Was it proven that Jeremy wore a wetsuit? 

7, The pathologist found that Sheila had undigested food in her stomach which meant she had eaten 2 to 3 hours prior to her death. Is this fact?

 :D :D :D :D

Murderers tend not to murder in front of witnesses.