An alibi from Neville is better than no alibi at all :

[susan]

Morning jansus  Guess I am the spider

[Jane]

If I was on the jury I would discuss -

The 19 reasons/facts why Neville would not make the 'mysterious' call to Jeremy.

How it benefits the accused to ring up the police. See page one.

The strange goings on in the accused cottage when the phone rang. See earlier post.

The vast amount of 'curious coincidences' in the case. See my thread.

I would give them my scenario of how the accused did it. Which matches the body locations & bullet allocation.

I would invite a Sheila scenario.

If no one could give me a Sheila scenario I would ask 'what was Sheila doing when Neville made his 'mysterious' phone call ?

Your intractable stance suggests you believe that yours would be a superior intellect to your fellow jurors. Much like YOUR 19 "facts", a belief held only in YOUR mind I imagine.

[Jan]

Morning jansus  Guess I am the spider

morning- yes I hope so 

Although Adam does have a method of drawing people into his complicated web of intrigue spun by his own mind - but I have a feeling although he thinks he is the spider - he is in fact the fly.

[lookout]

Morning lookout  have we got a two bit whiz kid on the forum show me where please always wanted to meet one

Good morning Susan,,,believe you me,if Jeremy had had the same attitude as Adam,I'd have deemed him guilty,without a shadow of a doubt. He'd have talked himself into the crime.

[campion]

 Agreed Jansus, Adam comes over as a 'two bit' FLY, - in the ointment,- moreover he gives the impression of attempting to FLY in the face of ADVERSITY. Does the little Varmint consider, as a self-professed 'Newbie', that he still holds the cards (as in 'Kind Hearts and Coronets) up his rectum?

Who was the PC on duty at Witham PS, and collar number, who took the all-important in-coming call, which he then passed on to Malcolm Bonnet at EP HQ?
Mayn't it rhymes with Dan'l Widden, of Old Uncle Tom Cobbley, 'n all!
He who was photographed with rifle and silencer(Sound Modulator), which he had removed from CInsp. Taff Jones desk, where he was using it as a paperweight, then had it sent for forensics.
He, also, who was the 'plan drawer', and whose printing had the characteristics of an Architect(but not "H").



                 "THE TRUTH NEVER SLEEPS, EVER!".      -MRDAVIES.

[Jan]

Adam - once and for all - there are no 19 reasons why he would not call JB. When someone is in a difficult and urgent situation I can assure you reason flies out of the window. Everyone knows what you should do in an emergency - but sometimes when it happens panic sets in. I KNOW this it is fact because last year I nearly died from choking and the first thing my family should have done was rung 999 - but they did not - they tried to save me first I could not tell them to ring 999 first because I could not speak . Trust me it was very touch and go. So once and for all get that out of your head. Plus your assessment of the family relationships are based on hearsay and possible false statements - and even if they were true I doubt if NB would have had any chance to reason that through in his head. You have had lots of other answers too and have chosen to ignore them .Plus as I said before JB would have had NO way of knowing how the police would react when they got to the house. It could have gone either way so that argument is lost as well.

[grahameb]

Your intractable stance suggests you believe that yours would be a superior intellect to your fellow jurors. Much like YOUR 19 "facts", a belief held only in YOUR mind I imagine.

He sounds more like Matthew Hopkins witchfinder general.

[Nickos]

Hello Nickos

not sure what Jeremy has said about how many rings Adam says 20 so I said 5.  This is a line I have not researched before I am just reading Adam's posts but I am now going to be serious and make some enquiries   I thought EP took the answering machine away for examination.

Hi Cheeky, I was just interested to know if JB had said how many rings he heard before he was meant to have answered the alleged phone call.

Was there anything on the answer machine from that night - I believe not - a part message from Nevill would have been gold to JB.

Telling EP he had it turned off that night (if that's what he did) would have covered the story for not having received a recorded message from Nevill, or why indeed JB had to answer it (and not leave it to take a message - because it was switched off)

I would also be interested to know that if it was switched on how many rings did it take before the machine clicked on / started recording.

Answering a call after my "modern" answer machine comes on records the whole conversation.

[susan]

Hello my lovely Nickos xx You are so lucky I don't have an answering machine or indeed  a phone I am lucky to even have an internet connection but I have you what more could a girl want

[Jan]

As far as I can see the only thing that is known is that there was an answering machine and at some stage the police took it away. I don't think he said he turned it off - that was someone saying he might of - not that it was mentioned anywhere. my machine at home does not record the call if it was picked up.I am guessing he picked it up before it started  recording otherwise he would have referred to it in interviews. He did say that the police should check with BT as he believed they could do that. I have no idea whether itemised calls were available in 1985 - or did he know the phone at WHF was being monitored?. He did seem confident that the police could check his story which is why he was getting a bit annoyed.

[Jan]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2939.msg104299.html#msg104299

interesting page 4 - photocopy of telephone print out? and the machine?

[maggie]

As far as I can see the only thing that is known is that there was an answering machine and at some stage the police took it away. I don't think he said he turned it off - that was someone saying he might of - not that it was mentioned anywhere. my machine at home does not record the call if it was picked up.I am guessing he picked it up before it started  recording otherwise he would have referred to it in interviews. He did say that the police should check with BT as he believed they could do that. I have no idea whether itemised calls were available in 1985 - or did he know the phone at WHF was being monitored?. He did seem confident that the police could check his story which is why he was getting a bit annoyed.

Hi jansus, the local exchange changed to digital in 1986 so officially there would have been little or no way of checking calls in 1985, however we don't know if there was something in place at that time or not for certain.   shouldn't have thought it was very likely.

[Adam]

As far as I can see the only thing that is known is that there was an answering machine and at some stage the police took it away. I don't think he said he turned it off - that was someone saying he might of - not that it was mentioned anywhere. my machine at home does not record the call if it was picked up.I am guessing he picked it up before it started  recording otherwise he would have referred to it in interviews. He did say that the police should check with BT as he believed they could do that. I have no idea whether itemised calls were available in 1985 - or did he know the phone at WHF was being monitored?. He did seem confident that the police could check his story which is why he was getting a bit annoyed.

I have said before it is impossible to answer a downstairs phone within 3-5 rings if you are upstairs 'sleeping like a log'.

The phone has to ring several times before it would wake you up in the first place.

Anyway Jeremy said he answered the phone & spoke to Neville who said 'please come over, Sheila has gone crazy & she has got the gun'. So there would be no recorded message. A shame as it would have cleared Jeremy.

Jeremy has to say the answering machine was switched off.

[susan]

Hello Adam pray tell pumpkins how you know a recorded message was not on the answering machine best not to believe everything EP and the Judge tells you

[maggie]

I have said before it is impossible to answer a downstairs phone within 3-5 rings if you are upstairs 'sleeping like a log'.

The phone has to ring several times before it would wake you up in the first place.

Anyway Jeremy said he answered the phone & spoke to Neville who said 'please come over, Sheila has gone crazy & she has got the gun'. So there would be no recorded message. A shame as it would have cleared Jeremy.

Jeremy has to say the answering machine was switched off.

Cannot believe we are back here again, Adam.
1)  Jeremy did NOT say the answer machine was off, someone on this forum said 'perhaps' the answer machine was off.

2) Surely Jeremy wouldn't claim he answered the phone unless he believed it was possible for him to do so.  His cottage was tiny so the phone couldn't have been too far away.

Are you out celebrating tonight?