Telephone issue - Extravaganza...

[Adam]

Well of course they are, they can hardly be two weeks old!!

The relatives were 'told' that ALL of the evidence pointed to Sheila.

If you have an alternative explanation of the log discrepancies, we would welcome hearing it??

All evidence pointed to Sheila. EP, the DPP, judge, jury, appeal courts & CCRC must have missed something.

The relatives still did not believe did it.

[maggie]

Well of course they are, they can hardly be two weeks old!!

The relatives were 'told' that ALL of the evidence pointed to Sheila.

If you have an alternative explanation of the log discrepancies, we would welcome hearing it??

Do you have an alternative explanation, Adam, would be really good to hear it. We have open minds and are willing to consider any alternative theories as to why Sheila's age was changed on the logs.

[maggie]

They were trying to prove that the journey could be done in-between the two calls -  then they said there was only ever one call? Why would the question of two calls have been an issue way back then? 

Good thought Caroline, I thought the question of Nevill calling the police as well as Jeremy only came to light when the second log was discovered.

[mike tesko]

The missing sections of the wireless message logs are shown below:-

[Jane]

Jeremy annonced he was 'starving' when he arrived back at the cottage. I am sure he was. It had been a long night.

His brekkie was fried bacon, toast & coffee. Mmmm. He of course made the detectives a cuppa. Once the food was safely in his stomach he was ready to tell the detectives all about that 'nutter' Sheila & Nevilles urgent phone call.

The police not believing for one second that Jeremy could, would or did massacre his own family

I wonder to whom he announced he was "starving." He would hardly have satisfied it with a couple of rashers of bacon and one crust of bread.............................but thanks for your thoughts on which you seem to have expanded the "breakfast" facts in order NOT to fully answer/expand on the log discrepancies OR how you've finally come to accept that Nevill may, after all. have made that call to the police.

[Patti]

They were trying to prove that the journey could be done in-between the two calls -  then they said there was only ever one call? Why would the question of two calls have been an issue way back then? 

Do you think they were desperate to try and prove that Jeremy could have got back to Goldhanger after the Call from his father?  If so this would mean that the supposed call to Mugford at 3am could never have taken place at the time they told the court? Or am I missing something? 

[susan]

Adam you have quoted at least twice now on the forum that Jeremy was worried Crispy would chew his equipment and damage it.  If this had happened Julie would not have been too keen to visit not saying it was her fault at all but Jeremy would have been considering her

[Adam]

My explanation is what I said before.

Jeremy phoned Julie for a chat.

Jeremy dialled Chelmsford police station (it did not occur to him to dial 999). Chelmsford police station was miles away

Jeremy told PC West about the 'mysterious' (judges words) phone call Neville had made saying 'come quickly, Sheila has gone crazy & she has got the gun'. Luckily, or unluckily Jeremy had switched off the answering machine, so brave Jeremy could answer the phone &  save the day. Although he wanted the police to pick him up !

PC West phoned Witham police station which was 7 miles nearer. The police like to save time when there are nutters with guns involved.

I assume both West & Bonnett filled out call logs. There are differences. So what ?

[Adam]

Adam you have quoted at least twice now on the forum that Jeremy was worried Crispy would chew his equipment and damage it.  If this had happened Julie would not have been too keen to visit not saying it was her fault at all but Jeremy would have been considering her

That is it.

[susan]

Adam that is what

[maggie]

Do you think they were desperate to try and prove that Jeremy could have got back to Goldhanger after the Call from his father?  If so this would mean that the supposed call to Mugford at 3am could never have taken place at the time they told the court? Or am I missing something? 

They may very well have been Patti, makes you think.  I believe they were desperate to pin this on him however they could, also could mean that they knew Mugford's phone call didn't take place at 3pm.

[mike tesko]

The missing sections of the wireless message log, were covered by the introduction of information re-written on blank pieces of paper, excluding the damning information contained in the original sections of the wireless message log, duly removed:-

[Patti]

I wonder to whom he announced he was "starving." He would hardly have satisfied it with a couple of rashers of bacon and one crust of bread.............................but thanks for your thoughts on which you seem to have expanded the "breakfast" facts in order NOT to fully answer/expand on the log discrepancies OR how you've finally come to accept that Nevill may, after all. have made that call to the police.

Hi Lovely April..

I thought it was family and the police that had encouraged Jeremy to eat something.  I think its normal that others will tell you to have something to eat in such tragic circumstances.  I know when my mum died my it was one of the first things my aunt asked me.."Have you eaten" I said no...but she insisted that I must eat....I'm not sure, but I think some people see eating as making things better....

[maggie]

My explanation is what I said before.

Jeremy phoned Julie for a chat.

Jeremy dialled Chelmsford police station (it did not occur to him to dial 999). Chelmsford police station was miles away

Jeremy told PC West about the 'mysterious' (judges words) phone call Neville had made saying 'come quickly, Sheila has gone crazy & she has got the gun'. Luckily, or unluckily Jeremy had switched off the answering machine, so brave Jeremy could answer the phone &  save the day. Although he wanted the police to pick him up !

PC West phoned Witham police station which was 7 miles nearer. The police like to save time when there are nutters with guns involved.

I assume both West & Bonnett filled out call logs. There are differences. So what ?

So you say 'so what?' to everything that doesn't fit in with your theory do you.
Have you given one thought to the various reasons why there are discrepancies in the 2 police logs.  These logs may get an innocent man out of prison but you just say 'so what?' because it doesn't fit in with your theory of what happened that night.   Do you call that justice Adam?

[Patti]

My explanation is what I said before.

Jeremy phoned Julie for a chat.

Jeremy dialled Chelmsford police station (it did not occur to him to dial 999). Chelmsford police station was miles away

Jeremy told PC West about the 'mysterious' (judges words) phone call Neville had made saying 'come quickly, Sheila has gone crazy & she has got the gun'. Luckily, or unluckily Jeremy had switched off the answering machine, so brave Jeremy could answer the phone &  save the day. Although he wanted the police to pick him up !

PC West phoned Witham police station which was 7 miles nearer. The police like to save time when there are nutters with guns involved.

I assume both West & Bonnett filled out call logs. There are differences. So what ?

I have often wondered why the word gun and not rifle.