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Offline mike tesko

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Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« on: March 09, 2011, 06:26:AM »
What I find somewhat bizarre, is why didn't Ann Eaton and the other relatives, kick up a fuss about the inconsistencies relating to where police (DC 'Mick' Clarke), told them where the bodies of June and Shiela were found (on the bed), and where the bodies ended up...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 10:10:AM »
I expect they just thought there had been some confusion and that he was mistaken.

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2011, 10:11:AM »
What I find somewhat bizarre, is why didn't Ann Eaton and the other relatives, kick up a fuss about the inconsistencies relating to where police (DC 'Mick' Clarke), told them where the bodies of June and Shiela were found (on the bed), and where the bodies ended up...

Not being funny (promise!), but maybe they didn't care that much? and put it down to a mistake. Maybe they didn't even know about the inconsistencies until months later and by then they were more concerned with 'getting their man'?
Shot in bed vs found in bed, next to each other vs each side of the bed... possibly Ann wasn't too bothered if the copper on the day got it a bit wrong (she thought JB did it, so didn't think the Police were trying to con anybody)

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2011, 11:01:AM »
Concerned with "getting their man" or getting "their" money?

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2011, 11:07:AM »
Concerned with "getting their man" or getting "their" money?

Well, IF it was about the money (which is plausible), they wouldn't get the money there and then, since they wouldn't inherit in that manner.
AND, that puts THEM down as pretty cold too - let's send Jeremy down for life to get it.

So that's making sheila a murderer, and the family overtly cold mercenaries,, who only had 3 days to 'plan' it all.
And they'd have to get Mugford in on it too
AND get the accountant in on the 'silencer find' (unless they planted it prior to 'finding' it) - in which case, even less time to plot it all.



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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2011, 12:05:PM »
If relatives thought Jeremy did it, it would make a difference where police originally found Shiela's body, and the circumstances in which it was found...
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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2011, 12:17:PM »
Yes, you're right, it would - but would they potentially weaken the case by highlighting the inconstencies? or say nothing in order to increase their chances of conviction?

If they themselves start admitting all the mixed stories, that would HELP JB.

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2011, 12:20:PM »
Hi Mike, it's Miss Marple - she never got married  ;D

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2011, 12:26:PM »
It was mentioned at the trial that Ann had been told June and Sheila were found on the bed. Was it not followed up by the defence?

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2011, 12:34:PM »
Hi Mike, it's Miss Marple - she never got married  ;D
... Yes, but Ann did marry Peter - so for the purpose of this thread, I have dubbed her, 'Mrs Marples', - thanks...
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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2011, 03:19:PM »
Hi Mike, it's Miss Marple - she never got married  ;D
... Yes, but Ann did marry Peter - so for the purpose of this thread, I have dubbed her, 'Mrs Marples', - thanks...

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 08:36:PM »
So that's making Sheila a murderer, and the family overtly cold mercenaries,, who only had 3 days to 'plan' it all.
And they'd have to get Mugford in on it too
AND get the accountant in on the 'silencer find' (unless they planted it prior to 'finding' it) - in which case, even less time to plot it all.
If Jeremy was innocent and the silencer got found in September, the family had plenty of time (during most of which their efforts turned up very little evidence). Also, they could have wondered at any stage whether the silencer had been overlooked, and realized that looking for it without anyone else present might be unwise. Julie didn't need to know about the silencer being found in September, and even Ann Eaton didn't need to know about all that happened to the silencer after it was found, and how many dozens of times Julie needed to be interviewed before signing a suitable statement.

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 08:44:PM »
I think that it was important that DC Clark told Ann Eaton that Sheila and June had been found on the bed, and that the police presented the evidence as though June was found by the bedroom door, whilst Sheila was found on the floor next to the bed? Until that matter was resolved, one way or the other, it would have proven difficult for the relatives to frame Jeremy for the murder even if they had wanted to, because of the possibility that the police may have had something to do with Sheila's death, or that they played some role or other in it? Therefore, Robert Boutflours visit to see his brother (ACC Simpson), on 6th September 1985, paved the way for the relatives to introduce the silencer evidence, because Robert Boutflour got reassurances from Simpson that Sheila's body was not found on the bed at all, it was found on the floor next to the bed, and no sooner does Boutflour persuade Simpson to start a fresh investigation, that the relatives introduce the silencer which was found at the scene on 11th September 1985, and a large number of witness statements detailing how Sheila's body had been discovered on the floor (not on the bed) were typed and dated, late September 1985, with a view to portraying this...

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 10:09:PM »
Brother?

It all sounds rather complicated to me.

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Re: Mrs Marple - fundamental clues, ignored
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2011, 10:10:PM »
I think that it was important that DC Clark told Ann Eaton that Sheila and June had been found on the bed, and that the police presented the evidence as though June was found by the bedroom door, whilst Sheila was found on the floor next to the bed? Until that matter was resolved, one way or the other, it would have proven difficult for the relatives to frame Jeremy for the murder even if they had wanted to, because of the possibility that the police may have had something to do with Sheila's death, or that they played some role or other in it? Therefore, Robert Boutflours visit to see his brother (ACC Simpson), on 6th September 1985, paved the way for the relatives to introduce the silencer evidence, because Robert Boutflour got reassurances from Simpson that Sheila's body was not found on the bed at all, it was found on the floor next to the bed, and no sooner does Boutflour persuade Simpson to start a fresh investigation, that the relatives introduce the silencer which was found at the scene on 11th September 1985, and a large number of witness statements detailing how Sheila's body had been discovered on the floor (not on the bed) were typed and dated, late September 1985, with a view to portraying this...
Brother ???