Photograph of Shiela on the bed

[Kaldin]

Does anyone know anything more about the training exercise?  What would this have entailed, exactly?  This thread seems a good place to ask, since it appears that the movement of Sheila's body must have taken place around that time (if we accept the information JB's solicitor obtained from his meeting with Dr Craig and his wife).  I shouldn't think it's worth starting a new thread.  I just wondered whether there is anyone reading this who actually knows from their own experience about the sort of training exercise which apparently took place at WHF.

None took place, it's a total myth.

I'm waiting for somebody to come forward with ONE other documented case of a murder where some reenactment took place with the bodies still in situ.

It beggars belief.

A week later? retracing footsteps? yes, perfectly believable.

I agree. I simply can't imagine a situation where some police who had been sitting outside would be called into a house with bodies everywhere in order to be trained because the first lot did it wrong.

[mike tesko]

Why would the police TAKE photos of incriminating evidence then have to hide them?

oh wait, they didn't realise it would be incriminating at the time eh?

They thought they'd take photos of someone on a bed, then move her (cos they really wanted the bed situation 'hush hush' but a photo for posterity?)

The way it's being told at the moment, June and Sheila covered more bloody (literally) floorspace than Strictly Come Dancing's entire season and assumed more positions than the Karma Sutra.

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Joke all you want about it, but this is a serious situation - I see what the tactic is here, try to ridicule what took place as some sort of a joke...

[Kaldin]

Why would the police TAKE photos of incriminating evidence then have to hide them?

oh wait, they didn't realise it would be incriminating at the time eh?

They thought they'd take photos of someone on a bed, then move her (cos they really wanted the bed situation 'hush hush' but a photo for posterity?)

The way it's being told at the moment, June and Sheila covered more bloody (literally) floorspace than Strictly Come Dancing's entire season and assumed more positions than the Karma Sutra.

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Joke all you want about it, but this is a serious situation - I see what the tactic is here, try to ridicule what took place as some sort of a joke...

I don't think he's doing that. It's just that there have been so many theories about bodies being moved and people moving around the house it's impossible to understand it.

[mike tesko]

Does anyone know anything more about the training exercise?  What would this have entailed, exactly?  This thread seems a good place to ask, since it appears that the movement of Sheila's body must have taken place around that time (if we accept the information JB's solicitor obtained from his meeting with Dr Craig and his wife).  I shouldn't think it's worth starting a new thread.  I just wondered whether there is anyone reading this who actually knows from their own experience about the sort of training exercise which apparently took place at WHF.

None took place, it's a total myth.

I'm waiting for somebody to come forward with ONE other documented case of a murder where some reenactment took place with the bodies still in situ.

It beggars belief.

A week later? retracing footsteps? yes, perfectly believable.

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It did take place, and you are misleading anyone and everyone by suggesting that such an exercise did not take place - police records now in the possession of Jeremy confirm that such an exercise did take place...

When the truth comes out, you will eat your words regarding this matter, and your comments...

[Kaldin]

Does anyone know anything more about the training exercise?  What would this have entailed, exactly?  This thread seems a good place to ask, since it appears that the movement of Sheila's body must have taken place around that time (if we accept the information JB's solicitor obtained from his meeting with Dr Craig and his wife).  I shouldn't think it's worth starting a new thread.  I just wondered whether there is anyone reading this who actually knows from their own experience about the sort of training exercise which apparently took place at WHF.

None took place, it's a total myth.

I'm waiting for somebody to come forward with ONE other documented case of a murder where some reenactment took place with the bodies still in situ.

It beggars belief.

A week later? retracing footsteps? yes, perfectly believable.

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It did take place, and you are misleading anyone and everyone by suggesting that such an exercise did not take place - police records now in the possession of Jeremy confirm that such an exercise did take place...

When the truth comes out, you will eat your words regarding this matter, and your comments...

Well without that evidence, I don't blame people for thinking it didn't happen. It sounds extremely unlikely to me as well.

[mike tesko]

Why would the police TAKE photos of incriminating evidence then have to hide them?

oh wait, they didn't realise it would be incriminating at the time eh?

They thought they'd take photos of someone on a bed, then move her (cos they really wanted the bed situation 'hush hush' but a photo for posterity?)

The way it's being told at the moment, June and Sheila covered more bloody (literally) floorspace than Strictly Come Dancing's entire season and assumed more positions than the Karma Sutra.

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Joke all you want about it, but this is a serious situation - I see what the tactic is here, try to ridicule what took place as some sort of a joke...

I don't think he's doing that. It's just that there have been so many theories about bodies being moved and people moving around the house it's impossible to understand it.

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There's nothing complicated about it - the police stage managed the scene...

and they blamed Jeremy for doing what the police, themselves did...

Police stage managed scene to promote the idea that Sheila took her own life, in circumstances that were different to how she actually may have taken her own life...

[Kaldin]

Why would the police TAKE photos of incriminating evidence then have to hide them?

oh wait, they didn't realise it would be incriminating at the time eh?

They thought they'd take photos of someone on a bed, then move her (cos they really wanted the bed situation 'hush hush' but a photo for posterity?)

The way it's being told at the moment, June and Sheila covered more bloody (literally) floorspace than Strictly Come Dancing's entire season and assumed more positions than the Karma Sutra.

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Joke all you want about it, but this is a serious situation - I see what the tactic is here, try to ridicule what took place as some sort of a joke...

I don't think he's doing that. It's just that there have been so many theories about bodies being moved and people moving around the house it's impossible to understand it.

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There's nothing complicated about it - the police stage managed the scene...

and they blamed Jeremy for doing what the police, themselves did...

Police stage managed scene to promote the idea that Sheila took her own life...

Of course it's complicated. There have been theories about June walking round the room, lying on her front, lying on her back, being propped up against the door ....

Sheila's been in the kitchen, on the bed, on the floor next to the bed, with the gun, without the gun, with the Bible, without the Bible ....

[Hartley]

Police stage managed scene to promote the idea that Sheila took her own life, in circumstances that were different to how she actually may have taken her own life...

Why? To serve what purpose?

[mike tesko]

Does anyone know anything more about the training exercise?  What would this have entailed, exactly?  This thread seems a good place to ask, since it appears that the movement of Sheila's body must have taken place around that time (if we accept the information JB's solicitor obtained from his meeting with Dr Craig and his wife).  I shouldn't think it's worth starting a new thread.  I just wondered whether there is anyone reading this who actually knows from their own experience about the sort of training exercise which apparently took place at WHF.

None took place, it's a total myth.

I'm waiting for somebody to come forward with ONE other documented case of a murder where some reenactment took place with the bodies still in situ.

It beggars belief.

A week later? retracing footsteps? yes, perfectly believable.

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It did take place, and you are misleading anyone and everyone by suggesting that such an exercise did not take place - police records now in the possession of Jeremy confirm that such an exercise did take place...

When the truth comes out, you will eat your words regarding this matter, and your comments...

Well without that evidence, I don't blame people for thinking it didn't happen. It sounds extremely unlikely to me as well.

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You are asking me to post the evidence that proves that such an exercise did take place, against Jeremy's instructions. I have assured him that I will leave that part of his case to him, and his legal team, but I would direct you to information that was published in a national newspaper, where Jeremy accuses Essex police of using the bodies of his family, as "props", during a training exercise, when these events did take place, between (a) 9am and 9:22am, and (b) between 10:35am and 11:35am...

Why would Jeremy be informing the press that such an exercise did take place, if it had not?

Think about it, Do you not think that Jeremy would have some proof about this, before he informed the press?

Why would Jeremy put himself in such a position, without any evidence in his possesion to back up what he is claiming?

[Kaldin]

Does anyone know anything more about the training exercise?  What would this have entailed, exactly?  This thread seems a good place to ask, since it appears that the movement of Sheila's body must have taken place around that time (if we accept the information JB's solicitor obtained from his meeting with Dr Craig and his wife).  I shouldn't think it's worth starting a new thread.  I just wondered whether there is anyone reading this who actually knows from their own experience about the sort of training exercise which apparently took place at WHF.

None took place, it's a total myth.

I'm waiting for somebody to come forward with ONE other documented case of a murder where some reenactment took place with the bodies still in situ.

It beggars belief.

A week later? retracing footsteps? yes, perfectly believable.

-----------------------

It did take place, and you are misleading anyone and everyone by suggesting that such an exercise did not take place - police records now in the possession of Jeremy confirm that such an exercise did take place...

When the truth comes out, you will eat your words regarding this matter, and your comments...

Well without that evidence, I don't blame people for thinking it didn't happen. It sounds extremely unlikely to me as well.

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You are asking me to post the evidence that proves that such an exercise did take place, against Jeremy's instructions. I have assured him that I will leave that part of his case to him, and his legal team, but I would direct you to information that was published in a national newspaper, where Jeremy accuses Essex police of using the bodies of his family, as "props", during a training exercise, when these events did take place, between (a) 9am and 9:22am, and (b) between 10:35am and 11:35am...

Why would Jeremy be informing the press that such an exercise did take place, if it had not?

Think about it, Do you not think that Jeremy would have some proof about this, before he informed the press?

Why would Jeremy put himself in such a position, without any evidence in his opossesion to back up what he is claiming?

Well look, the CCRC rejected his appeal so why would they do that if he had proof that Sheila was alive in the kitchen and then went upstairs and killed herself on the bed?

[Hartley]

Why would Jeremy be informing the press that such an exercise did take place, if it had not?

Think about it, Do you not think that Jeremy would have some proof about this, before he informed the press?

Why would Jeremy put himself in such a position, without any evidence in his opossesion to back up what he is claiming?

Well he told the press that Nevill called the police, there's no evidence to back that up either.

(not that I want to enter that particular topic again, that's been discussed to death in ever decreasing circles).

[mike tesko]

Why would the police TAKE photos of incriminating evidence then have to hide them?

oh wait, they didn't realise it would be incriminating at the time eh?

They thought they'd take photos of someone on a bed, then move her (cos they really wanted the bed situation 'hush hush' but a photo for posterity?)

The way it's being told at the moment, June and Sheila covered more bloody (literally) floorspace than Strictly Come Dancing's entire season and assumed more positions than the Karma Sutra.

---------------------

Joke all you want about it, but this is a serious situation - I see what the tactic is here, try to ridicule what took place as some sort of a joke...

I don't think he's doing that. It's just that there have been so many theories about bodies being moved and people moving around the house it's impossible to understand it.

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There's nothing complicated about it - the police stage managed the scene...

and they blamed Jeremy for doing what the police, themselves did...

Police stage managed scene to promote the idea that Sheila took her own life...

Of course it's complicated. There have been theories about June walking round the room, lying on her front, lying on her back, being propped up against the door ....

Sheila's been in the kitchen, on the bed, on the floor next to the bed, with the gun, without the gun, with the Bible, without the Bible ....

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Stop trying to muddy the waters, Sheila was originally found downstairs, mistakenly presumed to be dead, she regained consciousness and fled upstairs and ended up dead in the main bedroom. The police moved her body from the bed to the bedroom floor, and they planted the rifle on her body and took pictures - there is nothing remotely complicated about it. This is what happened, and this is what the police did to cover up for the fact that they made a serious mistake, which led to Sheila's death in the bedroom - she need not have died at all in the bedroom, but she did die there because the police got it wrong about her suicide in the kitchen earlier...

Nothing too complicated about that...

In my opinion...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

If Jeremy and his team had such evidence, they'd not be risking it by telling you (and you coming on here telling us, and potentially compromising his case)

I believe they might tell you of some things, but nothing that is THAT astonishing that it's prove beyond doubt he's innocent.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but if I was an innocent man and had such evidence that would clear me I'd do one of two things...

1) Shout it from the rooftops and publicise it for the world to see
2) Keep it incredibly secret, because I wouldn't dare risk compromising my defence prior it being heard.

I just wouldn't be telling (even a good friend) who runs a web forum about it.

[mike tesko]

Why would Jeremy be informing the press that such an exercise did take place, if it had not?

Think about it, Do you not think that Jeremy would have some proof about this, before he informed the press?

Why would Jeremy put himself in such a position, without any evidence in his opossesion to back up what he is claiming?

Well he told the press that Nevill called the police, there's no evidence to back that up either.

(not that I want to enter that particular topic again, that's been discussed to death in ever decreasing circles).

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Of course there's evidence that Neville called the police - Sheila was not Jeremy's daughter, and Ralph owned the rifle that the police photographed on Sheila's body - why would Jeremy be informing the police at 3:26am  that his "daughter" had got one of "his guns", and that she was going berserk?

Such a police record exists, and contains the details I am referring to, so there is evidence, which exists - it might not suit your view of what took place, but nevertheless, such evidence does exist...

In my opinion...

[Hartley]

Why would Jeremy be informing the press that such an exercise did take place, if it had not?

Think about it, Do you not think that Jeremy would have some proof about this, before he informed the press?

Why would Jeremy put himself in such a position, without any evidence in his opossesion to back up what he is claiming?

Well he told the press that Nevill called the police, there's no evidence to back that up either.

(not that I want to enter that particular topic again, that's been discussed to death in ever decreasing circles).

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Of course there's evidence that Neville called the police - Sheila was not Jeremy's daughter, and Ralph owned the rifle that the police photographed on Sheila's body - why would Jeremy be informing the police at 3:26am  that his "daughter" had got one of "his guns", and that she was going berserk?

Such a police record exists, and contains the details I am referring to, so there is evidence, which exists - it might not suit your view of what took place, but nevertheless, such evidence does exist...

In my opinion...

We've done this one and we disagree.