Was Ralph Bamber tied up , at any stage before shootings commenced?

[nugnug]

he couldent prevent them bein killed if they were already dead.

he couldent prevent them being kiled if he was killed first.

[Jan]

there are photographs of the kitchen that mention the missing chair? could that have been involved? Horrible question to ask I know , but there was never any suggestion of a relationship between Sheila and her adopted father was there?

[nugnug]

not that i know of ive never heard of that before.

[Caroline R]

Study the known facts...

What did Ralph do to prevent the children from being killed? He did little if anything, he had neither time nor opportunity to prevent any one of the eight bullets connected with the deaths of Daniel and Nicholas occurring - this suggests that Ralph was probably not present upstairs  when the killer shot and killed them both So, where was he whilst his grand children were being unlawfully killed"

Similarly, his wife Junes death was a slow lingering death, she was shot no less than five times non fatally, whilst she lay sleeping in her bed. She managed to drag herself out of bed and moved around inside the bedroom, yet still Ralph did not come to rescue  her, something had happened to Ralph which prevented two additional shots to the head, putting here out of her misery...

To be honest Mike, it sounds like you're arguing for the prosecution and agreeing with Adam and Nickos because the whole idea of Sheila tying up Neville certainly isn't going to further Jeremy's prospects of freedom - quite the opposite.

[nugnug]

i think theres a simple explanation ralph was killed first.

[mike tesko]

To be honest Mike, it sounds like you're arguing for the prosecution and agreeing with Adam and Nickos because the whole idea of Sheila tying up Neville certainly isn't going to further Jeremy's prospects of freedom - quite the opposite.

Hi Caroline,

Quite the opposite - the tying up of Ralph to the large wooden chair in the kitchen, helps to explain why he was not on hand to offer some form of protection to his grandchildren, and his wife, when the person who shot and killed them did the dirty deed. I believe that Sheila caught Ralph unawares dozing off downstairs, and that she was able to tie him to the wooden chair very quickly and subdue him. She then went upstairs and shot her mother five times whilst the mother was sleeping in the bed. The next 10 rounds were used to kill her children and her mother.. The only part I am not sure about, is whether or not, Sheila killed off her mother firstly before she killed off her children, or vice versa...

I am equally convinced,, that the silhouetted figure seen at the bedroom window, by the two police officers and Jeremy, was not Sheila, nor her father, but rather that it was June Bamber, moving around inside the bedroom, in between receiving the first five non fatal wounds, and the two fatal head wounds. Multiple spots of Junes blood were found all over on the bedroom carpet, evidence of which serves to confirm that although she must have been seriously wounded and in considerable pain, she did manage to move about inside the bedroom, and from the location of the aforementioned blood stains, it places June Bamber in sight of Myall, Bews and Bamber via the bedroom window...

[mike tesko]

Ligature marks on the arm:-

[lookout]

there are photographs of the kitchen that mention the missing chair? could that have been involved? Horrible question to ask I know , but there was never any suggestion of a relationship between Sheila and her adopted father was there?

Debateable,,,Jansus.

[campion]

Please be aware of Barbara Wilson's presence in the scenario. We are led to believe that she was Nevill's 'confidente', in her capacity as Farm Secretary!

[lookout]

Please be aware of Barbara Wilson's presence in the scenario. We are led to believe that she was Nevill's 'confidente', in her capacity as Farm Secretary!

Indeed,Campion.

[mike tesko]

With his hands tied behind his back it would have changed the manner with which he could help provide protection for his wife and grandchildren. Ralph did not appear to have had an opportunity to examine the bodies of June and the kids, with a view to saving them, or to provide emergency first aid...       

[lookout]

Mike,,I'd have risked it by throwing myself on top of the children.

[Caroline R]

Ligature marks on the arm:-

I can't see any ligature marks at all but had there been any, I doubt that they wold have ever considered Sheila as a suspect and they would have used it against Jeremy once convinced of his guilt.

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline,

Quite the opposite - the tying up of Ralph to the large wooden chair in the kitchen, helps to explain why he was not on hand to offer some form of protection to his grandchildren, and his wife, when the person who shot and killed them did the dirty deed. I believe that Sheila caught Ralph unawares dozing off downstairs, and that she was able to tie him to the wooden chair very quickly and subdue him. She then went upstairs and shot her mother five times whilst the mother was sleeping in the bed. The next 10 rounds were used to kill her children and her mother.. The only part I am not sure about, is whether or not, Sheila killed off her mother firstly before she killed off her children, or vice versa...

I am equally convinced,, that the silhouetted figure seen at the bedroom window, by the two police officers and Jeremy, was not Sheila, nor her father, but rather that it was June Bamber, moving around inside the bedroom, in between receiving the first five non fatal wounds, and the two fatal head wounds. Multiple spots of Junes blood were found all over on the bedroom carpet, evidence of which serves to confirm that although she must have been seriously wounded and in considerable pain, she did manage to move about inside the bedroom, and from the location of the aforementioned blood stains, it places June Bamber in sight of Myall, Bews and Bamber via the bedroom window...

But Neville was there for them and ended up being shot four times in the upstairs, that couldn't have happened if he was tied to a chair downstairs? Clearly, he realised the situation was critical and that being injured, he had no chance of tackling Sheila on his own and so had to try and raise the alarm  and seek outside help.

[nugnug]

Ligature marks on the arm:-

i dont think you can postivly tell anything from that picture.