The myth about a passive Sheila being "led" to her death

[Adam]

and while he is taking her to the bedroom she isnt the slightest bit suspicious as to why hes got a gun in is hand.

As mentioned earlier I would leave the gun in the main bedroom.

[nugnug]

so but when he opened the bedroom door she would of seen it wouldn't she.

[Adam]

so but when he opened the bedroom door she would of seen it wouldn't she.

You mean the main bedroom door ?

If it's dark, no. Also depends where the gun is.

[maggie]

Deaf. No, she just did not hear anything. I am a heavy sleeper & recently fell asleep in the cinema !

Blind. If no lights were on, yes.

Half asleep. It was the middle of the night.

Passive. Well a combination of the three will make any potential attack unexpected.

Schizophreni s particularly if not taking medication tend to sleep lightly if at all.

[nugnug]

and how could jeremy posbly rely on the fact she woulf be half asleep.

[Adam]

All seems quite straight forward to me.

The twins may have  slept through the kitchen fight etc. I would have shot the twins after Neville & June as they posed less threat. Why couldn't Sheila have slept through it ? 

As mentioned, Jeremy could have put the gun in the bedroom. Gone to get Sheila & said 'mummy needs to see you in the bedroom'. As soon as she enters the bedroom she is pulled to the floor & shot, which would only take a few seconds to do to an unexpected Sheila.

[Caroline R]

Half asleep in the dark. If she was pounced on straight away she would not have even seen her mother & father.

Rubbish!!

[Alias]

and how could jeremy posbly rely on the fact she woulf be half asleep.

He couldn´t, and he wouldn´t have. It is all so absurd and didn´t happen this way! To explain it, you have to twist, turn and bend facts so much, that you end up with a very convoluted sequence of events.

[nugnug]

theres also the fact that he couldent her down hold her head and hold a gun at the same time.

[Caroline R]

Deaf. No, she just did not hear anything. I am a heavy sleeper & recently fell asleep in the cinema !

Blind. If no lights were on, yes.

Half asleep. It was the middle of the night.

Passive. Well a combination of the three will make any potential attack unexpected.

This really is twaddle but I think you know that. 

[Adam]

Reading this thread, if Jeremy is guilty I have worked out a possible shooting order -

1: June. Neville & June posed most threat.

2: Neville. Woken by June's shots. Shot in the bedroom and on the stairs but not fatally.  Followed to the kitchen, beaten and shot again. Fatally.

3: Sheila. With the other two adults dead. There was more time to make this look like a suicide.

4: The twins. Posed least threat & were still asleep.

[Caroline R]

Reading this thread, if Jeremy is guilty I have worked out a possible shhoting order -

1: June. Neville & June posed most threat.

2: Neville. Woken by June's shots. Shot in the bedroom and on the stairs but not fatally.  Followed to the kitchen, beaten and shot again. Fatally.

3: Sheila. With the other two adults dead. There was more time to make this look like a suicide.

4: The twins. Posed least threat & were still asleep.

Totally useless speculation (yet more scenario's  )

[Jane]

This really is twaddle but I think you know that. 

Adam, I'm always up for a good debate. Sadly, many of your points fall very short of it.

[Adam]

He couldn´t, and he wouldn´t have. It is all so absurd and didn´t happen this way! To explain it, you have to twist, turn and bend facts so much, that you end up with a very convoluted sequence of events.

At that time of night I would be expecting someone to be half asleep when woken up.

[Caroline R]

At that time of night I would be expecting someone to be half asleep when woken up.

Half asleep is one thing, but catatonic is another!!