The myth about a passive Sheila being "led" to her death

[Adam]

Half asleep in the dark. If she was pounced on straight away she would not have even seen her mother & father.

[nugnug]

I did mention this bit either today or yesterday in another thread.

Sheila would be woken up by Jeremy, her brother she trusted. He could have said something like ' mummy needs to see you in the bedroom '. Sheila half asleep, walks into the bedroom and is immediatly pulled to the floor & shot in the throat.

and she wouldn't have struggled in any way while he was pulling her to the floor

and stayed completely passive while he put the gun in her hand and aimed it at her neck.

[Adam]

and she wouldent have strugeled in any way whhile he was pulling her to the floor

and stayed compley pasive wile he put the gun in her hand and aimed it at her neck.

Jeremy was a big, fit fella. The whole process of pulling Sheila to the floor & shooting her would only take a few seconds. Sheila would not be expecting it.

[Alias]

Half asleep in the dark. If she was pounced on straight away she would not have even seen her mother & father.

Sheila may have been a wee woman, but she was not blind, she would have seen the RIFLE at least! Can´t you see that this is all too improbable?
By "leading" Sheila to her Parents´room, why would Jeremy RISK Sheila getting upset by the sight of the bloody corpse of her mother, the blood on the bed, on the floor, the SMELL of blood and gunpowder AND the RIFLE? Why not stage the suicide in her own room or in the corridor?

[lookout]

Half asleep in the dark. If she was pounced on straight away she would not have even seen her mother & father.

Adam,,if it had been someone other than Sheila,,she'd have been found on top of her children by way of protecting them.Any mother would have thrown herself onto her children,I don't care who it is,,it's a natural human instinct to shield/shelter your children. Or even run out to the barn,,anything to make an attempt.

[Adam]

Sheila may have been a wee woman, but she was not blind, she would have seen the RIFLE at least! Can´t you see that this is all too improbable?
By "leading" Sheila to her Parents´room, why would Jeremy RISK Sheila getting upset by the sight of the bloody corpse of her mother, the blood on the bed, on the floor, the SMELL of blood and gunpowder AND the RIFLE? Why not stage the suicide in her own room or in the corridor?

I would have left the gun on the bedroom floor. Picking it up & shooting as soon as she was on her back.

[Alias]

I would have left the gun on the bedroom floor. Picking it up & shooting as soon as she was on her back.

How did he get her on her back on the floor and grab the rifle at the same time? Why go the the extra trouble of transporting/"leading" her to their parents´ bedroom? You said the reason was to get blood on her footsoles (!), but in this scenario, there is not much time for that.

[Jane]

I did mention this bit either today or yesterday in another thread.

Sheila would be woken up by Jeremy, her brother she trusted. He could have said something like ' mummy needs to see you in the bedroom '. Sheila half asleep, walks into the bedroom and is immediatly pulled to the floor & shot in the throat.

You've pulled that quote from Steve, haven't you?

[Adam]

I am the same sort of size as Jeremy.

Getting a woman a lot smaller than me onto the floor & on her back would not be hard. Providing she was not expecting it. Her being half asleep is even better!

[nugnug]

How did he get her on her back on the floor and grab the rifle at the same time? Why go the the extra trouble of transporting/"leading" her to their parents´ bedroom? You said the reason was to get blood on her footsoles (!), but in this scenario, there is not much time for that.

and of course when she sees she is walking through blood she dosent become  in anyway suspicious.

[Adam]

How did he get her on her back on the floor and grab the rifle at the same time? Why go the the extra trouble of transporting/"leading" her to their parents´ bedroom? You said the reason was to get blood on her footsoles (!), but in this scenario, there is not much time for that.

Well I would get her on the floor first. Using my body weight & one of my arms to hold her down. My other arm would get the gun and fire it.

If the scene was staged why not have Sheila in her parents bedroom ? It shows she has left her own bedroom.

[Alias]

The thing is, to make this all even remotely plausible, you have to accept that Sheila was deaf, blind, half asleep, passive to the point of catatonia, AND you have to accept that Jeremy EXPECTED this; and it still does not explain why he "led" her to the parents´ bedroom.

[Adam]

and of course when she sees she is walking through blood she dosent become  in anyway suspicious.

What blood ? There is no blood in the corridor. It is the middle of the night so probably dark. She was probably attacked within 5 seconds of entering the bedroom. So would not have seen anything.

[nugnug]

Well I would get her on the floor first. Using my body weight & one of my arms to hold her down. My other arm would get the gun and fire it.

If the scene was staged why not have Sheila in her parents bedroom ? It shows she has left her own bedroom.

and while he is taking her to the bedroom she isnt the slightest bit suspicious as to why hes got a gun in is hand.

[Adam]

The thing is, to make this all even remotely plausible, you have to accept that Sheila was deaf, blind, half asleep, passive to the point of catatonia, AND you have to accept that Jeremy EXPECTED this; and it still does not explain why he "led" her to the parents´ bedroom.

Deaf. No, she just did not hear anything. I am a heavy sleeper & recently fell asleep in the cinema !

Blind. If no lights were on, yes.

Half asleep. It was the middle of the night.

Passive. Well a combination of the three will make any potential attack unexpected.