The myth about a passive Sheila being "led" to her death

[Alias]

I would like to address this myth in a seperate thread. I see it as an important piece of the puzzle. Whenever "nons" are asked where Sheila was while the rest of the family was being killed, the answer is almost always: she slept through it all, then Jeremy came to her room and "led her" to their parents´ bedroom and killed her. During the whole thing, Sheila was cooperative and passive.
First of all, I do not believe Sheila COULD have slept through the killings, it would have been noisy, dogs barking, screaming, shots, commotion; but let us say she did.
WHY would Jeremy, who allegedly had preplanned the whole thing and wanted it to appear that Sheila committed suicide after having killed the rest of her family, choose to lead her to a room full of blood and the corpse of her dead mother? Wouldn´t that be sure to upset Sheila? Nons, why? How did he manage to, in the first place, to maintain her cooperation in her own killing, not to mention IN that particular, blood-filled room with her dead mother in it?
Does this make sense to you?

[nugnug]

and why would she let him passivly lead too somewhere were he could kill her.

[Alias]

and why would she let him passivly lead too somewhere were he could kill her.

Yes indeed, why? And how could Jeremy expect her cooperation? His thought process before the murders: I´ll go to the farmhouse and shoot everybody, I expect that Sheila will wait around for her turn to be killed, so I can stage a suicide. I´ll open a bible on chapter so and so and place it on her.
Are people suggesting that Jeremy did a lot of bible study prior to the murders to find the fitting page to leave the Bible open on?

It all seems so unlikely and totally out of charachter for Jeremy. He wouldn´t have been "deep" enough or sly enough to come up with this. Jeremy isn´t stupid, but he is no Einstein either.

And: The parents´ room - why???

[lookout]

If Jeremy had had designs on killing the family,,he'd have stayed put and said he was tired out after 17 hours of working,bringing in the harvest. How much easier would it have been to have remained in-situ ?

[nugnug]

the whole scenrio sounds totally laughable to me.

[Caroline R]

I would like to address this myth in a seperate thread. I see it as an important piece of the puzzle. Whenever "nons" are asked where Sheila was while the rest of the family was being killed, the answer is almost always: she slept through it all, then Jeremy came to her room and "led her" to their parents´ bedroom and killed her. During the whole thing, Sheila was cooperative and passive.
First of all, I do not believe Sheila COULD have slept through the killings, it would have been noisy, dogs barking, screaming, shots, commotion; but let us say she did.
WHY would Jeremy, who allegedly had preplanned the whole thing and wanted it to appear that Sheila committed suicide after having killed the rest of her family, choose to lead her to a room full of blood and the corpse of her dead mother? Wouldn´t that be sure to upset Sheila? Nons, why? How did he manage to, in the first place, to maintain her cooperation in her own killing, not to mention IN that particular, blood-filled room with her dead mother in it?
Does this make sense to you?

It's the most ridiculous scenario of all!!

[Alias]

It's the most ridiculous scenario of all!!

Yes, it is ridiculous, but we hear this again and again from nons.
The jury cannot have thought this through properly - nor Jeremy´s defence.

[Jane]

I fail to see how she could have looked as serene and composed in death had she been forced to view the indescribable state of her mother and the room in which she'd been shot.

[Adam]

Screaming ? June & the twins were shot in bed. The twins while asleep. June was probably asleep as well. But woke up & walked around for a few seconds. Neville would not scream, he just headed for the kitchen.

Gun shots ? Would be quiet if there was a silencer/moderator attached.

Dog barking ?  The small dog in the house was probably asleep. Some dogs do not bark much. If the dog did see Jeremy he would have probably have recognised him. So would not have got too excited. The dog may have got scared after the shooting started. It was found cowering under Nevilles bed by the police.

Kitchen fight ? Downstairs in a big house. Possible that Sheila in a deep sleep with the bedroom door shut did not hear it.

[lookout]

Screaming ? June & the twins were shot in bed. The twins while asleep. June was probably asleep as well. But woke up & walked around for a few seconds. Neville would not scream, he just headed for the kitchen.

Gun shots ? Would be quiet if there was a silencer/moderator attached.

Dog barking ?  The small dog in the house was probably asleep. Some dogs do not bark much. If the dog did see Jeremy he would have probably have recognised him. So would not have got too excited.

Kitchen fight ? Downstairs in a big house. Possible that Sheila in a deep sleep with the bedroom door shut did not hear it.

Those little dogs bark if you fart ( putting it crudely ) they yap at the least thing,,Jeremy couldn't stand the dog for that reason,,so don't you think he'd have shot it first ? After all " if he can shoot humans,there'd be no problem shooting a dog "

[Alias]

Screaming ? June & the twins were shot in bed. The twins while asleep. June was probably asleep as well. But woke up & walked around for a few seconds. Neville would not scream, he just headed for the kitchen.

Gun shots ? Would be quiet if there was a silencer/moderator attached.

Dog barking ?  The small dog in the house was probably asleep. Some dogs do not bark much. If the dog did see Jeremy he would have probably have recognised him. So would not have got too excited.

Kitchen fight ? Downstairs in a big house. Possible that Sheila in a deep sleep with the bedroom door shut did not hear it.

Perhaps - I still don´t think it is likely, but in my first post say that: let´s say she DID sleep throught it all. What happened then? You avoid that part - about her being "led" to her death. How about that bit?

[Adam]

Those little dogs bark if you fart ( putting it crudely ) they yap at the least thing,,Jeremy couldn't stand the dog for that reason,,so don't you think he'd have shot it first ? After all " if he can shoot humans,there'd be no problem shooting a dog "

I am sure the dog would have been shot if it was in the will !

[Adam]

Perhaps - I still don´t think it is likely, but in my first post say that: let´s say she DID sleep throught it all. What happened then? You avoid that part - about her being "led" to her death. How about that bit?

I did mention this bit either today or yesterday in another thread.

Sheila would be woken up by Jeremy, her brother she trusted. He could have said something like ' mummy needs to see you in the bedroom '. Sheila half asleep, walks into the bedroom and is immediatly pulled to the floor & shot in the throat.

[lookout]

I am sure the dog would have been shot if it was in the will !

I'm still of the mind that Jeremy would have had no compunction in shooting that dog seeing as he's been described as being a" psychopath". A dog would have been a pushover compared to humans.

I don't,,,and never have, believed for one minute that Jeremy killed his family.

[Alias]

I did mention this bit either today or yesterday in another thread.

Sheila would be woken up by Jeremy, her brother she trusted. He could have said something like ' mummy needs to see you in the bedroom '. Sheila half asleep, walks into the bedroom and is immediatly pulled to the floor & shot in the throat.

She didn´t get upset by the corpse of her mother and all the blood?