The myth about a passive Sheila being "led" to her death

[Adam]

He borrowed it from June for Julie because she was staying with him in the holidays and had a holiday job. She needed to get to the station each morning.

That is why I am on here. To find out new bits of information.

[nugnug]

The gun is reaching distance. Not hard to know when to pull her down.

so hes reaching for a gun and holding her with 1 hand.

[Adam]

so hes reaching for a gun and holding her with 1 hand.

No. As mentioned,  he's using body weight to keep her down. Probably kneeling on her. As well as using his free hand.

[Jane]

No. As mentioned,  he's using body weight to keep her down. Probably kneeling on her. As well as using his free hand.

And she made no attempt to free herself and there was no bruising found on her to suggest that force had been used.

[Adam]

And she made no attempt to free herself and there was no bruising found on her to suggest that force had been used.

As mentioned the whole proces could only take a few seconds.

Jeremy was ready, psyched up, strong, fit &  determined. By the time Sheila realised what may be happening the first shot has been fired.

[grahameb]

and why would she let him passivly lead too somewhere were he could kill her.

And how would Jeremy know that she would comply?

[nugnug]

well he couldn't possibly have done.

[Adam]

As I mentioned he could have just woken her up & told her she was needed in the main bedroom. Being her brother, there is no reason why Sheila would not believe him.

[Alias]

As mentioned the whole proces could only take a few seconds.

Jeremy was ready, psyched up, strong, fit &  determined. By the time Sheila realised what may be happening the first shot has been fired.

You really have to make Sheila a raving, halfwit idiot to make your crazy scenario fit the facts. I don´t think she was.
In case Jeremy committed the murders, we have to regard Sheila as a young mother of two who would have slept with one eye open in case something happened to her children (mothers tend to do that), not a clueless halfwit! It is quite insulting to her, in my opinion.

[nugnug]

No. As mentioned,  he's using body weight to keep her down. Probably kneeling on her. As well as using his free hand.

wouldent it rather to keel on someone and then there neck while your doing it.

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[grahameb]

Screaming ? June & the twins were shot in bed. The twins while asleep. June was probably asleep as well. But woke up & walked around for a few seconds. Neville would not scream, he just headed for the kitchen.

Gun shots ? Would be quiet if there was a silencer/moderator attached.

Dog barking ?  The small dog in the house was probably asleep. Some dogs do not bark much. If the dog did see Jeremy he would have probably have recognised him. So would not have got too excited. The dog may have got scared after the shooting started. It was found cowering under Nevilles bed by the police.

Kitchen fight ? Downstairs in a big house. Possible that Sheila in a deep sleep with the bedroom door shut did not hear it.

Yet when a Bamber supporter said roughly the same thing a guilter would say the exact opposite as you have said. We can't win can we.

[grahameb]

Those little dogs bark if you fart ( putting it crudely ) they yap at the least thing,,Jeremy couldn't stand the dog for that reason,,so don't you think he'd have shot it first ? After all " if he can shoot humans,there'd be no problem shooting a dog "

Apparently the dog hated Jeremy. So I shouldn't think he would have much difficulty shooting it?

[grahameb]

I am sure the dog would have been shot if it was in the will !

Typical guilter answer.

[grahameb]

Half asleep in the dark. If she was pounced on straight away she would not have even seen her mother & father.

When are the guilters going to stop making up these ridiculous senarios?

[Steve_uk]

You really have to make Sheila a raving, halfwit idiot to make your crazy scenario fit the facts. I don´t think she was.
In case Jeremy committed the murders, we have to regard Sheila as a young mother of two who would have slept with one eye open in case something happened to her children (mothers tend to do that), not a clueless halfwit! It is quite insulting to her, in my opinion.

We know that Sheila often neglected the twins,not by malevolence but through the incapacitation of her illness. The boys had been through rough times with day fostering,getting their own breakfasts and being late for school and may have sensed they weren't to bother their mother for whatever reason was running through six year- old's minds. It took all Sheila's forces to function throughout the day;she was not suspicious of Jeremy but maybe a little intimidated as can be shown when she did not want to ask Jeremy herself for a lift home at the party the previous Saturday,but did get into the car with him. As Adam says,she would be off her guard in the middle of the night and I do not find the scenario far-fetched with the individual we are discussing here.