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Offline susan

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Hello Alias nice to be back and thank you for the welcome  :-*

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jansus  when all the information is in book form with stuff we have never read before I think it will be much easier to understand and we could well be surprised.

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Hello Jansus

You could be right but I am sure many documents held have now been released or uncovered.  I am very excited about the book as it will give us answers to many unanswered questions and I eagerly await the publication.
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Unless any of us, the police, the lawyers, film producers or book authors etc were actually there when the murders took place, regardless of the facts, evidence or audio tapes (whether correct or fabricated) the only conclusions any person draws can only be based upon speculation or supposition or a scenario, in other words.

If Sheila committed the murders, the truth of what really occurred will never be known.
If Jeremy committed the murders, the truth of what really happened will never be known, based upon his ability to have protested his innocence all this time and I doubt if he is that stupid to change his stance.

In either case, all one can do is speculate.

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mrstiggywinkle

IMO the evidence etc when the police arrived at the scene would have indicated to the police who had committed the horrendous crimes that is why it was stated 4 murders one suicide at the onset of the investigation.  What happened after that in my mind would be speculation and I would be drawing my own conclusions.

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Hello Grahame nice to see you I hire myself at a very reasonable rate to make people happy usually singing to them or a little tap dance ;D ;D ;D

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Unless any of us, the police, the lawyers, film producers or book authors etc were actually there when the murders took place, regardless of the facts, evidence or audio tapes (whether correct or fabricated) the only conclusions any person draws can only be based upon speculation or supposition or a scenario, in other words.

If Sheila committed the murders, the truth of what really occurred will never be known.
If Jeremy committed the murders, the truth of what really happened will never be known, based upon his ability to have protested his innocence all this time and I doubt if he is that stupid to change his stance.

In either case, all one can do is speculate.
Unfortunately what you say can be and must be applied to every murder case,

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Unless any of us, the police, the lawyers, film producers or book authors etc were actually there when the murders took place, regardless of the facts, evidence or audio tapes (whether correct or fabricated) the only conclusions any person draws can only be based upon speculation or supposition or a scenario, in other words.

If Sheila committed the murders, the truth of what really occurred will never be known.
If Jeremy committed the murders, the truth of what really happened will never be known, based upon his ability to have protested his innocence all this time and I doubt if he is that stupid to change his stance.

In either case, all one can do is speculate.
I agree to a certain extent - however if there is an audio tape of what happened in the house through the open phone line - or recordings of the police talking to someone alive in the house whilst JB was outside then that would PROVE his innocence once and for all - so I don't understand why the  retained evidence should not be viewed by JBs legal team and say a judge - so they can decide.whether the hidden evidence is relevant.

« Last Edit: December 05, 2013, 05:45:PM by jansus »

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Bit strange what Pargeter says in his statement though... about DB and the police returning a silencer to DB.

I have changed my opinion on that subject. I admit that, at first, I had thought that Anthony Pargeter had let it slip that the silencer had been returned to the house by the police, and that the finding of it was a sham. I now rather think that it was just a case of the relatives giving false evidence in support of each other.

This is just a guess. I think it might have been the case that Pargeter did not completely understand the plan at first. Being aware that a blood stained silencer had been found at the scene of the crime by the police, he just thought that David Boutflour finding the silencer implied that the police must have returned it. For people to believe that Boutflour had found that silencer, they would need to be informed that the silencer had been returned, so he may have thought. Perhaps he just didn’t know that the plan was simply to retract the reports of a silencer being found altogether and to start from scratch as it were.

Just as there were, of course, witnesses present when David Boutflour allegedly found the silencer, as if to counter any suspicion that the finding of a silencer conforming to that description did not really take place, it was probably thought to be a good idea to add further circumstantial weight to Boutflour’s claim by adding the testimony of more witnesses.  People would be inclined  to say the finding of the silencer must be genuine, given the number of people who confirmed it.

It may have been as if somebody thought “And we’ll have Anthony say that he received a call from David saying he had found the silencer with blood and paint on it. People will hardly be likely to believe that all of us are lying.”

But we know they are lying, because a blood stained silencer was found by the police on the day of the killings and was sent to the laboratory and examined BEFORE the date when the Boutflour silencer was handed in.

Putting two and two together, I think what happened is that there was a silencer the relatives had in their possession that played no part in killings and this gave someone the idea of faking the silencer evidence to frame Jeremy. They deliberately contaminated the other silencer and later sent that to the laboratory, so then there were two and the two became merged together in the fraud which ensued.

Documentation proves that two different silencers were examined and there are differing descriptions of where the blood and paint are said to be on each one. The Jury were led to believe that there was only one silencer which David Boutflour had found three days after the killings. But the documentation proves he lied.

People who lie sometimes get the idea for the lie from incidents which really did occur. I suspect that the police got the idea of a silencer with blood and paint on it, which would be damning evidence against Bamber, from the blood stained silencer which they had already found and from a gun which was found which had red paint on the muzzle. Those two things gave those people the idea for the deception they performed.



Obviously, once that plan had been put into operation the police had to retract the real finding of a silencer which, from interviews with the police had gotten into the papers. I mean, the relatives couldn’t very well have found the silencer if the police had already had it in there posession and had sent it to the laboratory before the time when the relatives handed it in.

The date when that information was retracted is for me a definite indication of when the evil conspiracy involving Essex Police and Bamber’s relatives got into full swing.

An interesting question is could Sheila have used the gun with the silencer on it at first, but then removed it before shooting herself. The finding of June Bamber’s DNA in one silencer appears to support that view as does the opinion of the ballistics experts who say that they can tell from photographs of Sheila that the silencer was not on the gun when she was shot.





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Excellent post,Martin,,and I've held the opinion of your last paragraph since coming onto the forum.
Well done.

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Excellent post,Martin,,and I've held the opinion of your last paragraph since coming onto the forum.
Well done.

Thanks, Lookout

I generally agree with experts. If  they say they can tell the silencer was not used, I am willing to accept that. Also, one specialist is quite definite in stating that June's DNA is in the silencer he examined and that Sheila's is not.

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Thanks Lookout

I generally agree with experts. If  they say they can tell the silencer was not used, I am willing to accept that. Also, one specialist is quite definite in stating that June's DNA is in the silencer he examined and that Sheila's is not.




It figures that it was Junes' DNA,Martin,,as she,poor thing received a volley of bullets,which had been fired with utter hatred. You could almost imagine that awful scene.

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Great post Martin! And of course,one of the witnesses to the "finding of the silencer" (Basil Cock) complains in his statement of fingerprinting dust everywhere. And we know that whf was not fingerprinted until the September!

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Great post Martin! And of course,one of the witnesses to the "finding of the silencer" (Basil Cock) complains in his statement of fingerprinting dust everywhere. And we know that whf was not fingerprinted until the September!
Hi tyler, yes agree another excellent post by Martin. The mention of the fingerprint dust
by Basil Cock is pretty much the final Cockup ;D of the 'discovery of the silencer'. I've seen better performances by 5 year olds than the pathetic attempt by them all to try to get their rediculous story straight.  The silencer had to carry every clue which would convict JB because there was no other way to get a conviction. Noble Cause Corruption or Fabricating evidence and lying under oath????

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Great post Martin! And of course,one of the witnesses to the "finding of the silencer" (Basil Cock) complains in his statement of fingerprinting dust everywhere. And we know that whf was not fingerprinted until the September!



Should be Basil Cockup.