The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Jane]

there were usually three phones at White House Farm; a cream dial phone in the master bedroom; a blue digital dial one in the upstairs office; and a cordless phone which was kept in the kitchen. There was also another phone at the Farm that was a ‘fawn’ colour and it also had a digital key pad and it is unclear where this phone was usually kept although it was found in the kitchen under some magazines.

There had been a thunderstorm which had caused damage to the phone system and an engineer called Mr Pike made a statement that he took away the cordless phone and that he did not leave a replacement. The farm secretary Mrs Wilson had been on holiday and was not entirely sure where the phones were moved to as a result of this storm. Nevertheless Mrs Jean Bouttell testified in court that the phones had gone wrong so many times in the past year that she described it as “musical phones” when asked in court simply because the phones were moved around so frequently by the Bamber Family. She said it was common practice for the cream phone from the bedroom to be moved down into the kitchen

So from what you have told us perhaps we may now put to bed once and for all that A. Movement of phones at WHF was in n o way unusual and B. had anyone moved a phone deliberately(?) they couldn't have been entirely certain that it wouldn't have found its' way back to its' original position.

[Adam]

Adam thanks for telling me I wont watch it then no point in watching anything I will not enjoy

Perhaps you may learn more.

[Adam]

The phone issue was important enough to be discussed in court. The two scenarios are -

Both phones were in that location beforehand.

Jeremy took the kitchen phone off the hook upon entry, disabling all phones. Afterwards he took the bedroom phone downstairs & plugged it in. This would explain why Neville was in the kitchen. He was phoning Jeremy. Not sure why the working kitchen phone was unplugged & under a pile of newspapers.

There is no reason for Sheila to move the phones.


These are the only two options.

Jeremy 'may' know.

[Jan]

But they may just have been clutching at straws to find things to use , because lets face it they had no concrete evidence to go on. So why not believe the person who said in court that the phones were often moved about? I think EP  used the  phone in the kitchen as well  after entering the crime scene another case of "contaminating the crime scene"

[susan]

Adam forgive me for asking which bit of this post is yours and which bit belongs to jansus.  Is the blank bit yours

[grahameb]

No one from Essex police have ever said they received a phone call from Neville Bamber. Jeremy only claimed this several years later when he saw a police phone log & claimed it was saying Neville phoned.

Only Jeremy is saying he received a call from Neville. There is no evidence to confirm this. Even if there was evidence, it could be Jeremy phoning his cottage from WHF.

The only thing we know for sure is Jeremy phoned Mugford. Witness statements in court suggest this was several minutes before he phoned the police. Jeremy in his interview transcripts is unsure what call he made first. Intially saying he phoned Mugford first but eventually saying he phoned her after phoning the police.

So he can't win either way then. Because he has no hard evidence that Ralph phoned the police he is guilty. If he had concrete evidence of Ralph phoning the police he is still guilty. I never cease to be amazed as to how the minds' of those who believe Bamber to be guilty work.

[lookout]

So he can't win either way then. Because he has no hard evidence that Ralph phoned the police he is guilty. If he had concrete evidence of Ralph phoning the police he is still guilty. I never cease to be amazed as to how the minds' of those who believe Bamber to be guilty work.

It's a one-track fixation. Their brains don't work beyond a continual blame culture,,which applies with most of what they debate.They don't look further than the end of their noses. An awful lot of people would be hanged if it was left to this minority of one-sided,biased individuals.

[susan]

lookout you will never win with some folk think I am winning Adam round

[lookout]

lookout you will never win with some folk think I am winning Adam round

Don't hold your breath,Susan. He'll come up with something.

[gringo]

Perhaps you may learn more.

Are you being ironic Adam . From your postings on here thus far I don't think you should be advising others to learn more .

[susan]

Gringo Agam is still wearing "L" plates and you know the old saying a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

[susan]

lookout you could be right

[Jan]

lookout you will never win with some folk think I am winning Adam round

If you can convert Steve as well I think you should get a gold star by your name .

Does anyone know what other info there is around about the 3 burn marks on the back of NB neck? Was there some suspicion they could have been done by a poker? or a gun ? Just occurred to me again about the number 3 appearing on the strange note that was found? Religious connections?

[Jane]

If you can convert Steve as well I think you should get a gold star by your name .

Does anyone know what other info there is around about the 3 burn marks on the back of NB neck? Was there some suspicion they could have been done by a poker? or a gun ? Just occurred to me again about the number 3 appearing on the strange note that was found? Religious connections?

A link was attempted but nothing conclusive arrived at.

[Jan]

A link was attempted but nothing conclusive arrived at.

I guess we will never know. Unless there was more paper work or diaries etc found or notes In the bible that were hidden and are suddenly found.