The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Alias]

Good.

Which includes Jeremy on a bike in a wetsuit and gloves...

[Alias]

Once a 6.4 & healthy Neville had the gun, he was not going to let it go.
Perhaps it didn´t happen that way, but rather, Sheila had prepared two rifles and didn´t put it down at all - or she had reloaded after she shot the twins. We just don´t know.

If the twins were only shot two times each at first, the six bullets left would not be enough to restrain both June & Neville if she started shooting again.
See above.

Neville was in the bedroom long enough to be shot 4 times. Yet did not confront Sheila, who was running out of bullets. Instead running to the kitchen where he was beaten.
Maybe he was in no state to confront anybody, just tried to flee.

Jeremy did not get along with his dad. Or Sheila & June.
That is what is claimed, but we don´t know that for sure, do we? In a crisis, who do you turn to? Yes, your family typically.

[lookout]

Which includes Jeremy on a bike in a wetsuit and gloves...

He might as well have had a bell on the bike to let everyone know it was him for what truth there was in it.

[grahameb]

Not sure he was well back. He was directing things. If guilty, leading the police in one direction. Drawing maps & walking around the building.

Methinks you don't know much about police operations? Police do not allow a member of the public to "direct" things. If anything they get members of public away from the operation. This is for (1) safety to the public. (2) So they won't hinder the operation. Why do you think they took him to his own house to phone Julie Mugford? It was to get him out of the way.

[susan]

Hello Adam

I have been led to believe that the fostering of the twins had been discussed before I think with a Social Worker.  Patti will confirm this and elaborate. I believe the rifle with a silencer would only make a slight clicking noise. Parts of your post are too complicated for me to comment but I think Sheila did take a shower and her soiled clothes were left to soak in the two buckets found in the kitchen or maybe they were burnt in the Aga.

[lookout]

Methinks you don't know much about police operations? Police do not allow a member of the public to "direct" things. If anything they get members of public away from the operation. This is for (1) safety to the public. (2) So they won't hinder the operation. Why do you think they took him to his own house to phone Julie Mugford? It was to get him out of the way.

Indeed,Grahame,,the police move in mysterious ways !

[susan]

lookout think he had a miners light strapped to his head so he could see where he was going.  Did not have a bell though as people would see his light

[grahameb]

Indeed,Grahame,,the police move in mysterious ways !

If you think about it, it is a very practical way of handling things. Police move in on a situation and immediately take control. Because people in this kind of situation are as mad as a box of cats and flapping around all over the place in a tiswas. That is one reason that if police get involved in any situation to be directed by them alone. Better for your health that way.

[Patti]

Hello Adam

I have been led to believe that the fostering of the twins had been discussed before I think with a Social Worker.  Patti will confirm this and elaborate. I believe the rifle with a silencer would only make a slight clicking noise. Parts of your post are too complicated for me to comment but I think Sheila did take a shower and her soiled clothes were left to soak in the two buckets found in the kitchen or maybe they were burnt in the Aga.

Hi Susan

It was PB who said that June had tried to persuade Sheila to take a holiday to Bournemouth and arrange some child care for the twins......I think the word fostering is blown out of proportion and it was more like child care they were talking about...Was it not suggested this might be an idea to give Sheila a break and try to get her to work if she came to live back home?? 

[Jan]

Jeremy claimed several years later there were conversations from outside the house. This was after seeing a log from an officer not at the house. Jeremy was at WHF from the first minute. He will know that was not the case.

So he was simply lying to try to get released.

There is a slim chance he was in his car & not aware of what was happening. However if there were conversations surely the police will tell Jeremy the good news, that people are alive. They will also need Jeremys help. After all Neville had asked him to come over & save the day.

Either way, he indirectly accused the Essex Police of framing him from day one.

so if it was all quiet and no movement why did they wait over 4 hours to go in?

[susan]

Hello Jansus  why did the Police request armed backup unless they thought somebody in the house was still alive and was maybe in possession of a rifle.

[guest7363]

He might as well have had a bell on the bike to let everyone know it was him for what truth there was in it.

Ahh but Lookout ISABELL necessary on a bike? sorry x

[Jane]

Not sure he was well back. He was directing things. If guilty, leading the police in one direction. Drawing maps & walking around the building.

EEEEEEEEEEEK That's SO like Steve, it's creepy!!!!!!!

[Jan]

We do know a lot.

What rooms the bodies were in. How many bullets each person had. The kitchen fight. Where the gun is. Where the bedroom & kitchen phones were.

That is enough to make up a scenario. I did.

so who was the female body in the kitchen that the police reported in their log? And how come they told JM that Sheila was found on the bed? I am looking at this from the police point of view of the police now not JB. So no I don't think you know with any certainty where all the bodies were at the time of death - which is why your Scenario could be flawed. Also why on earth would the police that entered the house afterwards be allowed to move the bodies before all SOC pictures were taken? Also what happened to the bullet in SB that was in fragments - but in court had magically appeared as a whole bullet?

[susan]

Hi ralf  was Isabell on a bike as well .  Maybe they should have had a tandem