Going down the pan

[Reader]

I remember a case of Tracey Andrews . . . I read a story that she is due out of prison soon after 12 years . . .

It was Tracie, and she could be out in July 2011, after 15 years.

[Roch]

I've just watched that funeral video again, he looks pale and nervous to me as he steps out of the car.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

I've just watched that funeral video again, he looks pale and nervous to me as he steps out of the car.

I don't think much can be read in to the funeral footage either way.
One half say they are crocodile tears, the other half sheer grief.

I see a slight snigger, others see a nervous smile.

I think this was always one of his problems - his demeanour, his looks and his attitude. One man's self assurance is another's arrogant cocky brat.

[Roch]

I've just watched that funeral video again, he looks pale and nervous to me as he steps out of the car.

I don't think much can be read in to the funeral footage either way.
One half say they are crocodile tears, the other half sheer grief.

I see a slight snigger, others see a nervous smile.

I think this was always one of his problems - his demeanour, his looks and his attitude. One man's self assurance is another's arrogant cocky brat.
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Pretty much agree with that. Think too much has been made of his demeanour. Getting back to my query about his friends / supporters at the time, have they been silent all this time or have they attempted to be vocal / stuck by him at all? Dont know if anyone can answer that on here.

[bob]

Going back to Julie Mugford and the possibility of someone holding a made up story

I remember a case of Tracey Andrews who stabbed her boyfriend to death and made out it was road rage.  She even sat in a press conference with the victims family appealing for witnesses. She stuck to that story all through the trial.

Incidentally I read a story that she is due out of prison soon after 12 years and the victims family have protested to try to keep her in prison longer to no avail.

It is interesting to see you raise this case Jackie - how are you sure that she's guilty? You have a very clear view that JB is innocent but you seem to be very convinced of TA's guilt.

It's fully how the relatives if JB seem to influence what happens to him as a prisoner.

Don't get this bit 

[chochokeira]

WHOA WHOA!!!!!

It's a passing comment 'looked like a smirk'

at this stage she'd committed suicide. He wasn't a suspect (certainly not to the outside world)

And yes, there's other smiling / joking etc (as people do trying to keep emotions in check).

There's no suggestion at all that he's done a thing wrong from the videos, or anything in his manner was wrong.

Once you think he MAY have been the killer, you can look back and see something very differently.

TBM and Hartley,

Very true. I wrote this PM's post during a lull at my office: a daft thing to do as I couldn't view the video and the office invariably becomes busier when I'm midway through a blog post, so I end up rushing and writing gibberish. I thought the video was one of JB outside the court and was speaking in general terms, of the response of the press to JB throughout the case, that's why I refer to the court case too. That'll teach me to post while supposedly working.

[chelmsey]

I find it interesting that Pamela Boutflour was not involved very much with the "relatives own investigation".Does anybody know very much about her? I would be very interested to know if she was very religious like her sister June.I believe that Pamela was aware as to how ill Sheila was and this was the reason for her 10pm phonecall to whf,to enquire after Sheila?