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Offline mike tesko

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Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?

Blood found in silencer is what enabled Ballistic expert / blood expert, to conclude silencer must have been fitted to the guns barrel at the time Sheila was shot and killed...
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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 09:43:PM »
Non fatal wound - within 3inches +SM
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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 09:44:PM »
Because silencer was held within 3 inches, you should expect to have found more blood on the outside of the silencer that belonged exclusively to Sheila Caffell, yet none was found there at all...
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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 09:47:PM »
It is possible to tell or to establish whether a bullet has been fired through a silencer, by scientific means, but in this case, the ballistic expert concluded that he was unable to establish if any of the twenty five bullets had been fired through the sound moderator (silencer)...
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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2011, 11:12:AM »
Non fatal wound - within 3inches +SM
... There should have been Shiela's blood on the outside of the silencer if it was not a contact wound - but none of Shiela's blood was found on the outside of the silencer...
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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2011, 12:04:PM »
Non fatal wound - within 3inches +SM
... There should have been Shiela's blood on the outside of the silencer if it was not a contact wound - but none of Shiela's blood was found on the outside of the silencer...

There was blood on the outside of the silencer, but it was an insufficient quantity for them to know who it came from. Didn't David Boutflour scrape some off - or attempt to?

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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2011, 01:09:PM »
I think it's a very reasonable assumption that IF JB did it, he'd have attempted to clean the silencer. Perhaps badly, hurriedly and in poor light (possibly), but I can't believe he'd make NO attempt at all.


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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2011, 01:19:PM »
I think it's a very reasonable assumption that IF JB did it, he'd have attempted to clean the silencer. Perhaps badly, hurriedly and in poor light (possibly), but I can't believe he'd make NO attempt at all.

Yes, and that's one of the sticking points for me re his guilt. After having gone to all that trouble to murder his entire family and cover his tracks, I would have thought he would make some attempt to clean the outside of the silencer, or take it away with him and risk someone asking where it was.

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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2011, 01:46:PM »
I think it's a very reasonable assumption that IF JB did it, he'd have attempted to clean the silencer. Perhaps badly, hurriedly and in poor light (possibly), but I can't believe he'd make NO attempt at all.

Yes, and that's one of the sticking points for me re his guilt. After having gone to all that trouble to murder his entire family and cover his tracks, I would have thought he would make some attempt to clean the outside of the silencer, or take it away with him and risk someone asking where it was.

The cleaning I've put down to him not being 'perfect'.
As to taking the silencer, or leaving it - there are pros and cons for both choices. If he takes it and is caught with it - it's going to take some explaining. What if it's found n the hedges etc? What if it's discovered MISSING from the house? or ballistics deduce a silencer was used, but it's nowhere to be found? - it's murder for sure then.

So if it he leaves it at the house - what's the best plan? I'd have THOUGHT it best to leave by the side of sheila (to make it look like she used, it, then took it off to shoot herself). If he puts it in a drawer, then it just doesn't make a lot of sense since makes sheila look less likely to kill herself, and if the police DO discover a silencer was used, they'll look for it.

Of course he may just have been a wild 25 year old kid who thought out his plan fairly well, but not well enough, did the deed, put the silencer back in the box as though it had never been used. Tried to clean it up, thought he'd done a good job, and assumed nobody would look that closely anyway, since it was suicide.

He wasn't a professional assassin that's for sure. So I think we just have to be careful of thinking of him as a mastermind (IF he did it at all). If he did do it, I think he got very lucky with regard to much stuff, but then very unlucky too if the only real reason he got caught was because the family suspected him and his girlfriend spilled the beans.

As far as I know, there's no evidence that the silencer was ever used (other than the circumstantial evidence of blood on and inside it). It's not like the fatal bullet inside sheila was proven to have travelled through that silencer first and thus categorically prove it was murder.

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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2011, 01:50:PM »
No, he wasn't a professional assassin but we're supposed to believe that he didn't hesitate to shoot his entire family for money, including two children and his own parents. That would take nerves of steel surely.

There was blood visible to the naked eye on the silencer - David Boutflour spotted it at once. Surely it can't even have received a cursory wipe just to make sure there was no blood on it.

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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2011, 01:52:PM »
Non fatal wound - within 3inches +SM
... There should have been Shiela's blood on the outside of the silencer if it was not a contact wound - but none of Shiela's blood was found on the outside of the silencer...

There was blood on the outside of the silencer, but it was an insufficient quantity for them to know who it came from. Didn't David Boutflour scrape some off - or attempt to?
... It wasn't Shiela's blood...
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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2011, 01:55:PM »
Non fatal wound - within 3inches +SM
... There should have been Shiela's blood on the outside of the silencer if it was not a contact wound - but none of Shiela's blood was found on the outside of the silencer...

There was blood on the outside of the silencer, but it was an insufficient quantity for them to know who it came from. Didn't David Boutflour scrape some off - or attempt to?
... It wasn't Shiela's blood...

How do you know that? It says in the appeal document they couldn't tell whose blood it was.

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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2011, 02:00:PM »
Were there were other contact wounds on some of the other victims?

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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2011, 02:04:PM »
Were there were other contact wounds on some of the other victims?

There was a possibility that there was a contact shot to June, and the shots to Nicholas were contact shots or close.

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Re: Ballistics could not tell if bullets fired through Silencer?
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2011, 02:09:PM »
Were there were other contact wounds on some of the other victims?

There was a possibility that there was a contact shot to June, and the shots to Nicholas were contact shots or close.

So would you not expect to find blood from Sheila, Nicholas and possibly June either in/on the barrel or in/on the moderator?