Are the family priviledged to certain information?

[grahameb]

I ask this question because every time something new happens the forum is visited by two well known family friends just before or immediately after some new thing appears regarding Jeremy Bamber.
The last time this happened it was the new evidence concerning the burn mark tests in Arizona. Before that it was the CCRC decision as to whether to grant JB an appeal.
This time it is the publishing of Andrew Hunter's new book about further new evidence. Or is Hartley's over friendliness with the opposition just a coincidence? Or has he really turned over a "new leaf" and become pleasant all of a sudden? Or is the sudden appearance of Vic on the forum after a long time by chance?
What do you think? Are the family priviledged to this information before anybody else?

[No-Bits]

Sounds like paranoia to me. 

[campion]

Pardon me for verging on 'paranoia', but are the 'family' i.e. Rellies privileged to know the publisher/publication date of Andrew Hunter's much publicized book?
Additionally, has it been given an ISBN No., and how much will it be?
Presumably the copies given out for appraisal are 'Proof Copies', so we must be patient. If it doesn't actually emanate, then we of the 'Bamber Is Innocent' persuasion will indeed have reason to justifiably appear to be suffering from hallucinatory paranoia.

[grahameb]

Pardon me for verging on 'paranoia', but are the 'family' i.e. Rellies privileged to know the publisher/publication date of Andrew Hunter's much publicized book?
Additionally, has it been given an ISBN No., and how much will it be?
Presumably the copies given out for appraisal are 'Proof Copies', so we must be patient. If it doesn't actually emanate, then we of the 'Bamber Is Innocent' persuasion will indeed have reason to justifiably appear to be suffering from hallucinatory paranoia.

Hi campion. I don't know what you just said......But I agree with you.

[mertol22]

Hello Grahame its actually a good point, for me I do not think the family have any prior information as to the public in DBs own words on the 30 min documentary it ends here { BTW is does not end here him nor anyone else will give such a order } , the recent return of certain members tell me bundles the slightest  chance of a alternative version of events that night will and must be corrected you tell me ??

[nugnug]

how do we know there friends of the family they just told us they were.

anyone could come on and say they were friends of the family i mean we would have know way of proving they wernt.

[grahameb]

Hello Grahame its actually a good point, for me I do not think the family have any prior information as to the public in DBs own words on the 30 min documentary it ends here { BTW is does not end here him nor anyone else will give such a order } , the recent return of certain members tell me bundles the slightest  chance of a alternative version of events that night will and must be corrected you tell me ??

Yes they should be. Personally the so called money business with the family doesn't concern me much. You find that after someone dies you do get falling out of various members of the family where the person's possessions are concerned. The lady next door to us died recently and certain members have fallen out with each other. One member of the family said that we could have the plants that are in pots in the front garden. But since then I heard that the other members did not agree to that. So I informed my wife that we should stay away and not bother the family. I don't want to get tangled up in arguments concerning a dead person's things.
I think perhaps hartley was right. There is a danger of becoming paranoid about these things and about others as well. But I still think that something is not quite right with this case?

[grahameb]

how do we know there friends of the family they just told us they were.

anyone could come on and say they were friends of the family i mean we would have know way of proving they wernt.

I've spoken with Vic on the telephone, so I know he knows the family and Hartley is connected with Vic in a way. But I won't say anything more on that point.

[mertol22]

Yes they should be. Personally the so called money business with the family doesn't concern me much. You find that after someone dies you do get falling out of various members of the family where the person's possessions are concerned. The lady next door to us died recently and certain members have fallen out with each other. One member of the family said that we could have the plants that are in pots in the front garden. But since then I heard that the other members did not agree to that. So I informed my wife that we should stay away and not bother the family. I don't want to get tangled up in arguments concerning a dead person's things.
I think perhaps hartley was right. There is a danger of becoming paranoid about these things and about others as well. But I still think that something is not quite right with this case?

Likewise Grahame something is not right in this case , if these members know the family or not it means nothing to me it never has im interested in the truth Britain is among the most secret of nations nothing is quite what it seems the day people come to that way of thought then things will be more clear.

[No-Bits]

As I say paranoia seems to be the order of the day.

As I've been picked out in Grahames post, I'll offer a little more.

I was simply having a break from the forum, I forget now but I think I may even have PM'd NGB to that effect. Then I happened to take a peek at this forum as a guest just to see how things were going, there was some discussion taking place about a body being seen in a photograph, I happened to have a clearer image, so signed up and posted it, and I've stuck around ever since, although I have another break coming up.
So that's the reason why I came 'crawling out of the woodwork' so to speak. Nothing to do with Hunter, or on orders from the relatives, which is what I think is being alluded to.

There has been much said about me on the forum over the last few years, the majority of which has been propagated by myself. One myth, is that I am here on behalf of 'The Relatives', the truth of the matter is that that I've never spoken to a single one of them about the case, not a word, although I don't expect people to necessarily believe that.

As for me turning over a new leaf and suddenly becoming 'polite', I guess that's subjective, as far as I'm concerned, other than the odd blip I have no issues with the manner in which I've conducted myself, I haven't changed other than perhaps being a little more reserved these days, I don't feel that I need to fight every, or even any battle, whereas at one time that was perhaps not the case.

Whether the relatives get a heads up on things, no, not in this instance, or at least I very much doubt it.

One thing that I have to add, and it's been a constant source of amusement,  is that a good while back I exchanged a few PM's with Grahame, I had a feeling that information that I had told him was getting repeated to Campion, which is fine, that was entirely up to him. So I feigned an outburst, Grahame made a comment about architecture on the forum, so I sent a raving angry message saying something along the lines of 'my profession is not for public consumption' (he may recall? I think NGB again had been copied in). The purpose was to see if the information would get passed on, although Grahame was completely innocent and understandably angry at my outburst, Campion did indeed start making posts alluding to my profession as an architect. What I didn't expect was for Campion to continually mention it as often as he possibly could for the next TWO YEARS!!!, as if he thought he was annoying me each time, I have clearly at some stage deeply offended him, if only I knew how. All I can say is I am quite happy for people to think I'm an architect, that sound pretty cool, although I would obviously not be a very good one considering the amount of time I have spent on here.

The very, last thing I would like to add, is that if anybody is looking to have a new house designed, then please contact me via PM. 

(Just trying to break down some of the myths, one piece at a time)

[grahameb]

As I say paranoia seems to be the order of the day.

As I've been picked out in Grahames post, I'll offer a little more.

I was simply having a break from the forum, I forget now but I think I may even have PM'd NGB to that effect. Then I happened to take a peek at this forum as a guest just to see how things were going, there was some discussion taking place about a body being seen in a photograph, I happened to have a clearer image, so signed up and posted it, and I've stuck around ever since, although I have another break coming up.
So that's the reason why I came 'crawling out of the woodwork' so to speak. Nothing to do with Hunter, or on orders from the relatives, which is what I think is being alluded to.

There has been much said about me on the forum over the last few years, the majority of which has been propagated by myself. One myth, is that I am here on behalf of 'The Relatives', the truth of the matter is that that I've never spoken to a single one of them about the case, not a word, although I don't expect people to necessarily believe that.

As for me turning over a new leaf and suddenly becoming 'polite', I guess that's subjective, as far as I'm concerned, other than the odd blip I have no issues with the manner in which I've conducted myself, I haven't changed other than perhaps being a little more reserved these days, I don't feel that I need to fight every, or even any battle, whereas at one time that was perhaps not the case.

Whether the relatives get a heads up on things, no, not in this instance, or at least I very much doubt it.

One thing that I have to add, and it's been a constant source of amusement,  is that a good while back I exchanged a few PM's with Grahame, I had a feeling that information that I had told him was getting repeated to Campion, which is fine, that was entirely up to him. So I feigned an outburst, Grahame made a comment about architecture on the forum, so I sent a raving angry message saying something along the lines of 'my profession is not for public consumption' (he may recall? I think NGB again had been copied in). The purpose was to see if the information would get passed on, although Grahame was completely innocent and understandably angry at my outburst, Campion did indeed start making posts alluding to my profession as an architect. What I didn't expect was for Campion to continually mention it as often as he possibly could for the next TWO YEARS!!!, as if he thought he was annoying me each time, I have clearly at some stage deeply offended him, if only I knew how. All I can say is I am quite happy for people to think I'm an architect, that sound pretty cool, although I would obviously not be a very good one considering the amount of time I have spent on here.

The very, last thing I would like to add, is that if anybody is looking to have a new house designed, then please contact me via PM. 

(Just trying to break down some of the myths, one piece at a time)

Thank you hartley for your very honest post. I do believe that you are not an architect as campion said. As for myself I don't really think that it is very important who you actually are. But I have enjoyed your very articulate and intelligent posts. But I do know that Vic does know the relatives although he is not related to them. I trust his knowledge because I believe him to be an honest and upright man. Thank you for clearing up a few of the myths.

[No-Bits]

Thank you hartley for your very honest post.

You are very welcome.

[grahameb]

You are very welcome.

Sorry. It posted before I was finished. I think I pressed the wrong button somehow?

[maggie]

As I say paranoia seems to be the order of the day.
As I've been picked out in Grahames post, I'll offer a little more.
I was simply having a break from the forum, I forget now but I think I may even have PM'd NGB to that effect. Then I happened to take a peek at this forum as a guest just to see how things were going, there was some discussion taking place about a body being seen in a photograph, I happened to have a clearer image, so signed up and posted it, and I've stuck around ever since, although I have another break coming up.
So that's the reason why I came 'crawling out of the woodwork' so to speak. Nothing to do with
Hunter, or on orders from the relatives, which is what I think is being alluded to.
There has been much said about me on the forum over the last few years, the majority of which
has been propagated by myself. One myth, is that I am here on behalf of 'The Relatives', the
truth of the matter is that that I've never spoken to a single one of them about the case, not a
word, although I don't expect people to necessarily believe that.
As for me turning over a new leaf and suddenly becoming 'polite', I guess that's subjective, as
far as I'm concerned, other than the odd blip I have no issues with the manner in which I've
conducted myself, I haven't changed other than perhaps being a little more reserved these
days, I don't feel that I need to fight every, or even any battle, whereas at one time that was
perhaps not the case.
Whether the relatives get a heads up on things, no, not in this instance, or at least I very much doubt it.
One thing that I have to add, and it's been a constant source of amusement,  is that a good
while back I exchanged a few PM's with Grahame, I had a feeling that information that I had
told him was getting repeated to Campion, which is fine, that was entirely up to him. So I
feigned an outburst, Grahame made a comment about architecture on the forum, so I sent a
raving angry message saying something along the lines of 'my profession is not for public
consumption' (he may recall? I think NGB again had been copied in). The purpose was to see if
the information would get passed on, although Grahame was completely innocent and
understandably angry at my outburst, Campion did indeed start making posts alluding to my
profession as an architect. What I didn't expect was for Campion to continually mention it as
often as he possibly could for the next TWO YEARS!!!, as if he thought he was annoying me
each time, I have clearly at some stage deeply offended him, if only I knew how. All I can say is I
am quite happy for people to think I'm an architect, that sound pretty cool, although I would
obviously not be a very good one considering the amount of time I have spent on here.
The very, last thing I would like to add, is that if anybody is looking to have a new house
designed, then please contact me via PM. 
(Just trying to break down some of the myths, one piece at a time)

Cheers for that Hartley,  it's  always good to eliminate myths where ever they're found.

[No-Bits]

If a constant liar says that he's lying, do you believe him?