Neglect and the Effect on Developing Brains of Babies/Small Children

[killingeve]

But we're not talking about MANY children here Steve, we're talking about ONE child who bore all the hallmarks of having suffered from being passed from pillar to post at a time when she was powerless. I certainly don't recall 1959 as being a Golden Age although I'm delighted that you experienced it as such. As for "badmouthing the dead," are Myra Hindley/Fred West/Harold Shipman's crimes any less heinous because they're dead. Your argument here smacks of the defensive.

Hi April

I would think the case of SC is a real one off:

- Brought up in a 'closed' adoption
- At least 4 primary caregivers in first 1/2 years of life
- One caregiver seriously mentally ill as a result of her decision to adopt the very child she is in care of

Doubt there's a case like it in the world.  No wonder poor SC lost her mind 

It should be possible to ascertain any damage caused to SC by a potential attachment disorder/neglect/adoption/reunion by  psychologists, psychiatrists and neuroscientists interviewing PB, who is June's closest living relative, and Dr F.  They may then conclude that contrary to Dr F's opinion SC may have been at high risk of suicide and/or had a propensity towards violence particularly towards June as evidenced by the shot between the eyes imo.

Of course then it will be down to the lawyers to determine whether it should be put to ccrc ie had jury have known about this potentially compelling evidence would it have changed their decisions. 

They may also be able to stump up a statistical probability of two adopted siblings, one has SC's start to life and develops mental illness, the other has an ok start to life, no mental illness, no psychopathy and yet has spent some 28 years behind bars accused of murdering his adoptive family which he has consistently denied.

I feel it's all to play for  . Back of the net 

[killingeve]

Hi lookout have never read that Sheila was a difficult child? I know Jeremy said she was a happy child.  Always thought it was puberty when Sheila began to show how troubled she was??

Hi Maggie

Do you mean like this?

http://www.adoptionhealing.com/SmilingAdoptees.html

The word 'puberty' is a bit old hat.  It's now more commonplace to use 'adolescence' 

[Jane]

Hi April

I would think the case of SC is a real one off:

- Brought up in a 'closed' adoption
- At least 4 primary caregivers in first 1/2 years of life
- One caregiver seriously mentally ill as a result of her decision to adopt the very child she is in care of

Doubt there's a case like it in the world.  No wonder poor SC lost her mind 

It should be possible to ascertain any damage caused to SC by a potential attachment disorder/neglect/adoption/reunion by  psychologists, psychiatrists and neuroscientists interviewing PB, who is June's closest living relative, and Dr F.  They may then conclude that contrary to Dr F's opinion SC may have been at high risk of suicide and/or had a propensity towards violence particularly towards June as evidenced by the shot between the eyes imo.

Of course then it will be down to the lawyers to determine whether it should be put to ccrc ie had jury have known about this potentially compelling evidence would it have changed their decisions. 

They may also be able to stump up a statistical probability of two adopted siblings, one has SC's start to life and develops mental illness, the other has an ok start to life, no mental illness, no psychopathy and yet has spent some 28 years behind bars accused of murdering his adoptive family which he has consistently denied.

I feel it's all to play for  . Back of the net 

NaNu HI

You're right. I think one would have to trail the globe to find another case like SC's.

Going back many years to when I was toying with the possibility that both Sheila AND Jeremy had developed mental and/or psychological disorders, I dismissed it as being too much of a coincidence for it to occur in 2 unrelated children, picked randomly from those available at the time. I don't think it was known at the time quite how fragile had been June's mental health.

I fail to comprehend how so much credibility was given to Dr F's assessment of Sheila when he'd had no contact with her for those last, CRUCIAL 18 weeks of her life. When she left his care for the last time she was probably at one of the highest points (without artificial aid) of her life and she was full of hope which was gradually stripped away. It would be interesting to know what would have been his assessment had he seen her the week before she died.

Like you, I feel VERY strongly that this aspect of the case, which till now has been brushed under the carpet, NEEDS to see daylight, and a psychologist need to be approached in order that it can be bought out and examined.

[killingeve]

NaNu HI

You're right. I think one would have to trail the globe to find another case like SC's.

Going back many years to when I was toying with the possibility that both Sheila AND Jeremy had developed mental and/or psychological disorders, I dismissed it as being too much of a coincidence for it to occur in 2 unrelated children, picked randomly from those available at the time. I don't think it was known at the time quite how fragile had been June's mental health.

I fail to comprehend how so much credibility was given to Dr F's assessment of Sheila when he'd had no contact with her for those last, CRUCIAL 18 weeks of her life. When she left his care for the last time she was probably at one of the highest points (without artificial aid) of her life and she was full of hope which was gradually stripped away. It would be interesting to know what would have been his assessment had he seen her the week before she died.

Like you, I feel VERY strongly that this aspect of the case, which till now has been brushed under the carpet, NEEDS to see daylight, and a psychologist need to be approached in order that it can be bought out and examined.

Here, here ol bean 

All to play for  . Jolly hockey sticks  . Back of the net  Hohoho 

[lookout]

It can also be a genetic trait going back a generation as well.

[lookout]

It can also be a genetic trait going back a generation as well.

So no way would it be a one-off. Given Sheilas' background I'd imagine that while you had past royalty who were as mad as a box of frogs,it's not beyond the bounds of impossibility to pass on rogue genes among the higher class of society.

[Jane]

So no way would it be a one-off. Given Sheilas' background I'd imagine that while you had past royalty who were as mad as a box of frogs,it's not beyond the bounds of impossibility to pass on rogue genes among the higher class of society.

lookout HI, I was always given to understand that where some kind of mental/psych disorder is found, it's rarely considered a one off and other examples will be found somewhere within the biological family. HOWEVER, the startpoint for the disorder HAS to be at a place where there were NO other examples. Although I'm not prepared to go out on a limb and say thiat this was the case with Sheila, she could be an example of all necessary elements coming together to create a "perfect storm."

[lookout]

lookout HI, I was always given to understand that where some kind of mental/psych disorder is found, it's rarely considered a one off and other examples will be found somewhere within the biological family. HOWEVER, the startpoint for the disorder HAS to be at a place where there were NO other examples. Although I'm not prepared to go out on a limb and say thiat this was the case with Sheila, she could be an example of all necessary elements coming together to create a "perfect storm."

Hi April,,if the gene is already there to start with,,then environment is bound to have a bearing,thus exacerbating something that could well have lain dormant given the right background,,who knows.?
Sometimes that particular gene doesn't show itself until early childhood or teenage years where,when joined by hormones,it can wreak havoc.
It's also difficult to distinguish a " naughty " child from one who is pre-disposed to a genetic condition.

[lookout]

Today,it would be called ADHD,,but it's hard to diagnose until a child reaches 5/6/7 or even beyond,,taking in all other symptoms that go with it.

[killingeve]

Today,it would be called ADHD,,but it's hard to diagnose until a child reaches 5/6/7 or even beyond,,taking in all other symptoms that go with it.

Hi Lookout

What would be called ADHD?

[Jane]

Hi April,,if the gene is already there to start with,,then environment is bound to have a bearing,thus exacerbating something that could well have lain dormant given the right background,,who knows.?
Sometimes that particular gene doesn't show itself until early childhood or teenage years where,when joined by hormones,it can wreak havoc.
It's also difficult to distinguish a " naughty " child from one who is pre-disposed to a genetic condition.

Lookout, another thought has occurred to me. We credit Sheila with an academic background, but we only know about her mother's family. Her father and his background are an unknown quantity and it may be from his side that there is mental/psych disorder.

[killingeve]

Lookout, another thought has occurred to me. We credit Sheila with an academic background, but we only know about her mother's family. Her father and his background are an unknown quantity and it may be from his side that there is mental/psych disorder.

Hi April

I firmly believe that SC's mental illness has its origins in childhood attachment disorder and neglect and adoption psychology.  The reason I think this is that all the symptoms she presented with as per the wit stats of Dr F, CC and Freddie and other info in the public domain point to this being the case.

Patti is working on identifying SC's birth father.  Must see how she's getting on.  Patti not been around for a while:

CALLING PATTI:

http://www.foe.co.uk/imgs/loud_hailer.jpg

We are missing you and your knowledge on tracing long lost family please hurry back.  NN x

[lookout]

Hi Lookout

What would be called ADHD?

A " normal " behaviour in a child,,where people,,especially teachers jump to conclusions that a child must take Ritalin. I've heard it all before,,just because a child is over-boisterous.

[lookout]

Teachers/parents are quick to put a name to an over-active child,namely ADHD,when it isn't. There's a name for those sort of people too,Munchausens by proxy. Those who think their child is ill and makes up an illness,needlessly.

[Jane]

Hi April

I firmly believe that SC's mental illness has its origins in childhood attachment disorder and neglect and adoption psychology.  The reason I think this is that all the symptoms she presented with as per the wit stats of Dr F, CC and Freddie and other info in the public domain point to this being the case.

Patti is working on identifying SC's birth father.  Must see how she's getting on.  Patti not been around for a while:

CALLING PATTI:

http://www.foe.co.uk/imgs/loud_hailer.jpg

We are missing you and your knowledge on tracing long lost family please hurry back.  NN x

NaNu, just to complicate matters further. What do you think are the chances of Sheila having had an addictive personality? To owe large amounts for drugs would seem to put them into the necessary as opposed to the recreational catagory.