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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #315 on: October 03, 2013, 11:10:AM »
I would rather suspect that those who are " convinced " of Jeremys' guilt, could possibly be getting slightly hot under the collar...................

Yet it appears that it is just yourself who is getting a little hot under the collar.  :-\

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #316 on: October 03, 2013, 11:40:AM »
Yet it appears that it is just yourself who is getting a little hot under the collar.  :-\






Not at all,No-Bits. I'm as cool as the proverbial cucumber. ;D

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #317 on: October 03, 2013, 11:45:AM »
Not at all,No-Bits. I'm as cool as the proverbial cucumber. ;D

That's not how it 'appears' though.  ;)

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #318 on: October 03, 2013, 12:32:PM »



Hiya Steve,,a lot would depend on the age of the baby when it was dropped and on what surface it was dropped on. A babys' head is quite malleable while the fontanelle is still open,,and I haven't read of any hairline fracture having occurred,,so I would have doubted very much whether any lasting damage would have been done. Certainly Jeremy wouldn't have remembered anyway.
At what age was he dropped.?
Hmmm........I think JB does actually have a hairline fracture as a result of being dropped as a baby. Wasn't that the reason why he couldn't do the deep sea diving course? Didn't he fail the medical?

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #319 on: October 03, 2013, 12:46:PM »
Given that June Bamber could hardly be described as a primary caregiver in the first place I fail to see how this attachment disorder manifests itself,or how Jeremy's relationship with June could possibly be described as different from the one Sheila experienced. I note that Boris and Zeanah's definition includes a situation where "a young child has no preferred adult caregiver". Are members sure that this is peculiar to Sheila and that this alone unlocks the secret to what happened at White House Farm over twenty years later?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_disorder[/color]

Hi Steve_uk

IMO absolutely 100% yes.  Along with adoption psychology and adoption reunions.

Boris and Zeanah identified cases where a young child has no preferred adult caregiver and then go on to identify the poor outcomes associated with this.

It is not just that SC had abrupt changes from multiple caregivers but the fact that it is likely there was some neglect as a result of June's severe depression caused BT adopting SC ie unresponsiveness.  Was SC fed, watered, changed, bathed, held and soothed as most primary care givers are able to do with the baby/small child in their care.  When this doesn't happen it feeds into implicit memory and can cause problems in later life. 

You might recall from Colin's book where he recounts SC telling him she can recall being left in a garden in a pram for hours simply left to cry  :'( :'( :'(

Also where SC shares her frustration/dissatisfaction of June arriving to pick her up from school wearing brogues and tweeds and commenting that the other mothers wore jeans.  This in itself seems pretty benign but it illustrates that in SC's mind her mother ie June was different from other mothers.  And was sufficiently strong to discuss years later with her husband.

We hear much evidence from Dr F, CC, Freddie and SC's friend's about SC's unhappy/unsatisfactory relationship with June.  So much she went in search of her birth mother it appears in an attempt to form a mother/daughter relationship rather than just simple curiosity. 

The reunion took place only a few weeks prior to the murders and IMO this along with the above and other issues discussed on here culminated in the shot between the eyes June received. 

Does anyone know who looked after SC whilst June was in hospital?  Did NB take time out from the farm?  Perhaps PB?  June's war friend Agnes (I believe)?  Foster carers?  Social services? 




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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #320 on: October 03, 2013, 12:59:PM »
Hmmm........I think JB does actually have a hairline fracture as a result of being dropped as a baby. Wasn't that the reason why he couldn't do the deep sea diving course? Didn't he fail the medical?

Hi Tyler

Yes according to Dr F's wit stat JB was 2 when he was dropped which RB rejects out of hand in his wit stat/diary.  Yes I think you're right re the diving/fracture.

I've always struggled to understand why June would discuss such an incident with her psychiatrist some 20 years after the event  :-\ :-\ :-\

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #321 on: October 03, 2013, 01:45:PM »
I would rather suspect that those who are " convinced " of Jeremys' guilt, could possibly be getting slightly hot under the collar at the knowledge that certain documentation has come to light that will eventually prove his innocence.
I've heard it all before.:
Hillsborough.
Stefan Kischko?sic
Susan May.
Michael George.
Eddie Gilfoyle.
Amanda Knox.
The McCanns.

All vilified to Hell and back. Many many more,,,,,media driven by the gutter press then followed by their disciples,the public.

Hi Lookout

I'm not familiar with Susan May and Michael George but the thing that stands out for me with these cases is that they all have family members supporting/fighting their cause. 

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #322 on: October 03, 2013, 03:20:PM »
That's not how it 'appears' though.  ;)






No-Bits,,how it appears and how it's perceived are two very different things. ;D

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #323 on: October 03, 2013, 03:25:PM »
Hi Lookout

I'm not familiar with Susan May and Michael George but the thing that stands out for me with these cases is that they all have family members supporting/fighting their cause.






All MOJ's and botched investigations,NN. All took the wrap for something they didn't do.
Michael George of the Jill Dando case. Susan May blamed for killing her rich aunt.

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #324 on: October 03, 2013, 06:53:PM »
Wasn't his name Barry George?

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #325 on: October 03, 2013, 07:04:PM »
Wasn't his name Barry George?

Yes, it was Barry George. Lookout must have been listening to Wham - backwards!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #326 on: October 03, 2013, 07:09:PM »
Haha...that's what I was thinking!

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #327 on: October 03, 2013, 07:09:PM »
Hmmm........I think JB does actually have a hairline fracture as a result of being dropped as a baby. Wasn't that the reason why he couldn't do the deep sea diving course? Didn't he fail the medical?





Hi tyler,,I'm trying to get my head around the fact that he was " dropped ".How can anyone drop a baby.? Yes,,I've read conflicting views about this episode in Jeremys' life,,but seem to remember that he got an award for diving.

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #328 on: October 03, 2013, 07:19:PM »
Hi lookout/tyler  I seem to think Jeremy failed the medical for the diving course and this was due to him being dropped as a baby think June told her Doctor when she was having treatment for depresssion not sure in what way his head was injured.

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Re: Truth of the night before
« Reply #329 on: October 03, 2013, 07:27:PM »




Hi tyler,,I'm trying to get my head around the fact that he was " dropped ".How can anyone drop a baby.? Yes,,I've read conflicting views about this episode in Jeremys' life,,but seem to remember that he got an award for diving.

I think Dr Ferguson says June had told him about Jeremy had a bump on the head....I'm not sure if he says tells him she dropped him though.  :-\ :-\ :-\