Truth of the night before

[Steve_uk]

A sanatorium...don't make me laugh...

June Bamber was committed to St Andrews hospital (previously known as "Northampton General Lunatic Asylum")  during 1959 for severe depression caused by her decision to adopt SC.  This in turn gave rise to an attachment disorder in SC due to her basic needs being unmet and abrupt/multiple changes in caregiving.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Andrew's_Hospital

I believe The Independent are due to run an article on this in the near future ie how June Bamber was allowed to adopt JB having suffered from severe mental illness 2 years earlier caused by her decision to adopt her first child ie SC.

SC developed schizophrenia for the same reasons Stefan Kiszko did, she felt persecuted.

We have firm evidence of June and SC's mental illnesses.  We have no evidence whatsoever of JB having a propensity towards violence other than the voices of those who had much to gain by seeing JB sent down for life.

People do recover from mental illness you know. As for the Sheila and Stefan Kiszko comparison,the cases are not like for like. I don't see any pressure heaped on Sheila apart from having to find work,we know that June towards the end of her life had come to accept her children as they were,disturbing as this may have been with son Jeremy.

[Caroline R]

People do recover from mental illness you know. As for the Sheila and Stefan Kiszko comparison,the cases are not like for like. I don't see any pressure heaped on Sheila apart from having to find work,we know that June towards the end of her life had come to accept her children as they were,disturbing as this may have been with son Jeremy.

Why exactly would that be disturbing for Jeremy?

[Jane]

People do recover from mental illness you know. As for the Sheila and Stefan Kiszko comparison,the cases are not comparable. I don't see any pressure heaped on Sheila apart from having to find work,we know that June towards the end of her life had come to accept her children as they were,disturbing as this may have been with son Jeremy.

Listen very carefully, I vill say zis only vonce It really is of NO importance what ANY outsider, least of all, one who didn't know June, and wasn't present, says about her changing attitude to her children. The important thing is whether they FELT there was any softening in her acceptance of them and their chosen lifestyles. In this, no one elses opinion is valid.

[susan]

Hello april do you wear a uniform and black shiny boots carrying a cane what medication did you say you were on

[Steve_uk]

Why exactly would that be disturbing for Jeremy?

I think there were concerns with both Sheila and Jeremy,as Nevill was Sheila's parent of choice with the telephone calls whereas Jeremy tended to stick with June,from the Jubilee photograph in which we see a Jeremy having returned from Gresham's without qualifications and looking rather insecure. Maybe as Jeremy started to have a social life I think they drifted apart again:this would tie in with the Roger Wilkes book where it's stated problems arose in their relationship around 1978. With Sheila's illness followed by June's it's evident to me that Jeremy became unsettled again,not wishing to pursue an academic education to A Level but deep down not having any bonds with farm work,at least not from the bottom up which was Nevill's viewpoint on how his son's career should progress. We therefore have a tumbleweed Jeremy at this stage of his life,without the regular routine and discipline of Gresham's,which Jeremy came to regard as a complete waste of time and never forgave his parents for sending him to.

If we're ever talking about attachment disorders look no futher than Jeremy having been sent away at eight years old to this institution which was so alien to him,at a moment when he might just have begun to bond with his parents.

[Jane]

Hello april do you wear a uniform and black shiny boots carrying a cane what medication did you say you were on

Amoxicillin 500, dear

[Steve_uk]

Listen very carefully, I vill say zis only vonce It really is of NO importance what ANY outsider, least of all, one who didn't know June, and wasn't present, says about her changing attitude to her children. The important thing is whether they FELT there was any softening in her acceptance of them and their chosen lifestyles. In this, no one elses opinion is valid.

But Sheila did feel this,or at least she had achieved a breakthrough in her own mind that her mother's feelings for her were no longer so important. These feelings are contained in the letter to Ann Eaton Sheila wrote from St. Andrew's.

[Jane]

I think there were concerns with both Sheila and Jeremy,as Nevill was Sheila's parent of choice with the telephone calls whereas Jeremy tended to stick with June,from the Jubilee photograph in which we see a Jeremy having returned from Gresham's without qualifications and looking rather insecure. Maybe as Jeremy started to have a social life I think they drifted apart again:this would tie in with the Roger Wilkes book where it's stated problems arose in their relationship around 1978. With Sheila's illness followed by June's it's evident to me that Jeremy became unsettled again,not wishing to pursue an academic education to A Level but deep down not having any bonds with farm work,at least not from the bottom up which was Nevill's viewpoint on how his son's career should progress. We therefore have a tumbleweed Jeremy at this stage of his life,without the regular routine and discipline of Gresham's,which Jeremy came to regard as a complete waste of time and never forgave his parents for sending him to.

If we're ever talking about attachment disorders look no futher than Jeremy having been sent away at eight years old to this institution which was so alien to him,at a moment when he might just have begun to bond with his parents.

I feel certain that you teach in a state school because of your obvious distaste for boarding schools, but not EVERY child who is sent to one suffers from attachment disorders. It is all to do with what each childs' needs are and how each child bonds with its parents and can have variences within the same family.

[tyler]

I thought that NN said that attachment disorders were caused in the early months of a childs life,during the bonding process,not at 8 years old?

[Jane]

But Sheila did feel this,or at least she had achieved a breakthrough in her own mind that her mother's feelings for her were no longer so important. These feelings are contained in the letter to Ann Eaton Sheila wrote from St. Andrew's.

This apparent recognition may have worked well whilst they were apart but it seemed that it didn't work in practice because we know that Sheila wasn't happy about having to spend time with her parents that week.

[susan]

Hello tyler steve has changed it from 8 months to 8 years fits his story better

[Jane]

I thought that NN said that attachment disorders were caused in the early months of a childs life,during the bonding process,not at 8 years old?

That's absolutely correct, Tyler. I think Steve is try to take advantage of my weakened state and slip a sly one in whilst I wasn't looking. NaNu has pointed this out to him on many occasions, I believe.

[Steve_uk]

I feel certain that you teach in a state school because of your obvious distaste for boarding schools, but not EVERY child who is sent to one suffers attachment disorders. It is all to do with what each childs' needs are and how each child bonds with its parents and can have variences within the same family.

Isn't there a saying "Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton?". I don't have a problem with boarding schools at all:in fact parents sending their children there are paying twice for their children's education. I don't have a problem with the rich as long as they treat their employees well and pay their fair whack of tax. What I don't particularly like is people using the teaching analogy again and again to make their points,when to quote just one instance about homework these parents are the first to complain that homework is too easy,too hard or has not been set at all,when it's an integral part of school life,is an extension of the lesson in class and takes an awful lot of teacher's time to mark(at night I may add),not to mention the inconvenience of those pupils who fail to do it and therefore need punishment, those who have misunderstood what they were to do,or those who were absent and need the instructions repeated again..

[Steve_uk]

I thought that NN said that attachment disorders were caused in the early months of a childs life,during the bonding process,not at 8 years old?

Yes and I reject this theory because there's no evidence that Sheila ever bonded with June in the first place..

[Jane]

Isn't there a saying "Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton?". I don't have a problem with boarding schools at all:in fact parents sending their children there are paying twice for their children's education. I don't have a problem with the rich as long as they treat their employees well and pay their fair whack of tax. What I don't particularly like is people using the teaching analogy again and again to make their points,when to quote just one instance about homework these parents are the first to complain that homework is too easy,too hard or has not been set at all,when it's an integral part of school life,is an extension of the lesson in class and takes an awful lot of teacher's time to mark(at night I may add),not to mention the inconvenience of those pupils who fail to do it and therefore need punishment, those who have misunderstood what they were to do,or those who were absent and need the instructions repeated again..


STEVE!!!! Will you PLEASE get off that high horse before you FALL off it. I don't recall that ANYONE here has said anything derogatory about state school education. I'm actually WITH you over most of what you say and I'd welcome the chance to talk more about it but this isn't the place. The only thing which I've ever disagreed with is that Julie had it harder than any other trainee teacher.