Truth of the night before

[tyler]

According to Pam Boutflour,Sheila was acting 'oddly'.June told Pam that Sheila was showing no interest in the twins,housework etc. June MUST have realised the severity of Sheila's decline as she told Pam that she had been trying to persuade her to take a 'holiday' at a 'home' in Bournemouth. It does sound as though Sheila was having some kind of a breakdown and Pam's evidence proves that the conversation that evening focused on Sheila and her illness. Allegedly Sheila went to bed around 10pm,but we know that Sheila had trouble sleeping,hence her many phonecalls to Nevill during the night. No sleeping tablets were found in her system,so it is unlikely that she slept soundly that night? Also,she hated being at whf (was anxiety about having to visit what made her so quiet on the journey down with Colin)? Anyway,it is not beyond possibility that she did indeed get up again that night? Or didn't go to bed at all? Upon going to bed is when she may have realised she had got her period,had a shower and a snack and stayed up after Nevill went to bed. Or maybe Nevill never even got to bed. Sorry..late night musings!

[Jane]

Tyler, good morning. I don't disagree with any of what you say, butI'm going to put up what Steve has to say about it so people can compare.

Steve has it that there was nothing MORE wrong with Sheila than she was "exhausted" from the party the previous dayand the onset of a period, which explains her lack of interest in the twins and helping June with domestic chores. He insists that she had a perfectly reasonable, albeit not very chatty, conversation with "Auntie Pam" before going to bed and sleeping like the dead until awoken by Jeremy and led like a lamb, to slaughter.

I would also like to point out that we as Brits have "understatement" down to a fine art and this is exhibited at its best amongst the middle classes. It probably stems from the "stiff upper lip" syndrome. It may be used to take the urgency from a situation. SO "oddly" may translate NOT as a little quirky, off the wall, but "I'm telling you this because I'm s**t scared and I don't know what to do next." I feel that "oddly" shouldn't be underestimated.

[killingeve]

Morning Tyler

PB even uses the word "strange" to describe the phone conversation insofar as SC ended the conversation abruptly and didn't say goodnight as she normally would.  That IMO says it all really. 

The stay at WHF was the first I believe since SC met with her birth mother just a few weeks previously.

[Patti]

According to Pam Boutflour,Sheila was acting 'oddly'.June told Pam that Sheila was showing no interest in the twins,housework etc. June MUST have realised the severity of Sheila's decline as she told Pam that she had been trying to persuade her to take a 'holiday' at a 'home' in Bournemouth. It does sound as though Sheila was having some kind of a breakdown and Pam's evidence proves that the conversation that evening focused on Sheila and her illness. Allegedly Sheila went to bed around 10pm,but we know that Sheila had trouble sleeping,hence her many phonecalls to Nevill during the night. No sleeping tablets were found in her system,so it is unlikely that she slept soundly that night? Also,she hated being at whf (was anxiety about having to visit what made her so quiet on the journey down with Colin)? Anyway,it is not beyond possibility that she did indeed get up again that night? Or didn't go to bed at all? Upon going to bed is when she may have realised she had got her period,had a shower and a snack and stayed up after Nevill went to bed. Or maybe Nevill never even got to bed. Sorry..late night musings!

Tyler you should muse more, excellent post.....Lets not forget that Ms Wilson telephoned and said that NB was not himself and thought she had interrupted an argument...Another sign that all was not well that night......

[lookout]

When I switched on the laptop just before,,the first thing I thought about was Pams' evening phone call. I know it wasn't a late ( late ) call,,but I wonder what prompted Pam to phone at that time,as opposed to afternoon/teatime.? Pam would possibly have relayed the conversation back to her family and whoever happened to be there at the time. I wonder.

[lookout]

Mental Health Services are being stretched to the limits,,with hospital beds now at a premium. In fact,,the pressure to hospitals,private and NHS, has caused a lack of beds available at this present time.
Because there isn't a cure,,we'll see an even bigger explosion of the illness in 20 years time. It'll probably take over any flu epidemic.
Preventative measures aren't really an option because of high-levels of work-related stress and general cost of living stresses. It reckons that there'll be two million sufferers in years to come,,including 100's of thousands of children too.
Like in Sheilas' situation,,more will turn to drugs and alcohol,,so exacerbating their present problems and situations. There's no easy answer to this like mending broken limbs or warding off flu by injection.

[campion]

Lookout, Hi, I refer to your Post #4 :- you ' wonder',

"What prompted Pam to 'phone at that time?" 
Indeed I 'wonder' from where she was telephoning, and whether other people were present when she made the unexpected call.
I've always considered that Sheila was hovering near the 'phone, since she was anticipating a call from Colin.

I await a glib answer from god, but there again, I 'wonder' if it will make Steve 'wonder'?

[lookout]

Lookout, Hi, I refer to your Post #4 :- you ' wonder',

"What prompted Pam to 'phone at that time?" 
Indeed I 'wonder' from where she was telephoning, and whether other people were present when she made the unexpected call.
I've always considered that Sheila was hovering near the 'phone, since she was anticipating a call from Colin.

I await a glib answer from god, but there again, I 'wonder' if it will make Steve 'wonder'?

Hi Campion,,indeed,,disappointment on Sheilas' behalf if she was expecting a call from Colin,,a " take me home " request,,,but it didn't materialise.How desperate she must have been.
I have wondered for long enough about that call,,as I'm sure whatever it was about,could have waited until morning,,unless someone knew that there wasn't going to be a morning.
I still find it a strange time to call,,,though people are at liberty to phone any time they like,,but it's not often,I imagine,,that the Bambers got phone-calls beyond 9pm.
We don't know from where the call was made,,or who may have been present at the time with Pamela.

[tyler]

Phone call was made from Wix and RWB admitted he was earwigging in on the conversation. DB was also present as he was visiting with his parents.

[lookout]

Phone call was made from Wix and RWB admitted he was earwigging in on the conversation. DB was also present as he was visiting with his parents.

Ohhh,right tyler.Thanks for that.Just what I wanted to hear. Earwigging,aye,,yes I'll bet he was. Now my suspicions are really roused.

[lookout]

Jeremy,,,what a big mouth you've got.! Or had,,,as you'll be a lot wiser now.

[Steve_uk]

Tyler, good morning. I don't disagree with any of what you say, butI'm going to put up what Steve has to say about it so people can compare.

Steve has it that there was nothing MORE wrong with Sheila than she was "exhausted" from the party the previous dayand the onset of a period, which explains her lack of interest in the twins and helping June with domestic chores. He insists that she had a perfectly reasonable, albeit not very chatty, conversation with "Auntie Pam" before going to bed and sleeping like the dead until awoken by Jeremy and led like a lamb, to slaughter.

I would also like to point out that we as Brits have "understatement" down to a fine art and this is exhibited at its best amongst the middle classes. It probably stems from the "stiff upper lip" syndrome. It may be used to take the urgency from a situation. SO "oddly" may translate NOT as a little quirky, off the wall, but "I'm telling you this because I'm s**t scared and I don't know what to do next." I feel that "oddly" shouldn't be underestimated.

There was no crisis at 10pm on the Tuesday night or June would have told her sister she required outside intervention. There's also no indication that Sheila had taken the huff from the purported family conversation about fostering the twins or Sheila would not have taken the receiver to speak to Pam. This reminds me of when Sheila frightened the electricity board official that it was June who calmed Sheila down.

Let's not mince words:Sheila was a paranoid schizophrenic who had she not died that Wednesday morning would have needed anti-psychotic medication for the rest of her life. But it was this medication which was slowing her down and making her vacant and in need of bed rest far more than the average person,not wilful neglect of the twins. However in some people's eyes(including Jeremy's) this was an excuse to pity her and put her out of her misery like putting an animal down who was in pain,which to my mind reinforces Julie's statement as an accurate record of Jeremy's thoughts that past year.http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1188.0.html

[susan]

steve I thought Jeremy murdered Sheila so she could not share the inheritance did not realise it was done out of pity.  Sorry my mistake.

[Steve_uk]

steve I thought Jeremy murdered Sheila so she could not share the inheritance did not realise it was done out of pity.  Sorry my mistake.

That was his justification for the crimes in his own mind,as he told to Julie.

[susan]

steve Julie must have agreed with Jeremy's thoughts as she would have warned the family of his plans.