Seeking the Truth for Jeremy Bamber

[Jan]

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/how-and-why-did-sheila-do-it/Freddie%20Emami.jpg?attredirects=0

see statement from Freddie emani - is this more relevant than him " allegedly " saying I am the boss??

[mertol22]

makes you think -4 million documents   

Apparently JB has been wading through about 3 million of them - that's dedication - and a waste of time if there are audio recordings or multiple statements that prove that Sheila was alive whilst he was there with the police.

Jeremy made a mistake here they wanted him to see them because they contain nothing he can use extra copies for all we know the ones that matter lie elsewhere or don't exist.

[Steve_uk]

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/how-and-why-did-sheila-do-it/Freddie%20Emami.jpg?attredirects=0

see statement from Freddie emani - is this more relevant than him " allegedly " saying I am the boss??

The link is not working but I'm fully aware of Freddi Emani..

[Jan]

Jeremy made a mistake here they wanted him to see them because they contain nothing he can use extra copies for all we know the ones that matter lie elsewhere or don't exist.

so you think they are just drip feeding the bits they want him to see and waste time on.?   

[gringo]

I don't believe Essex Police have withheld information which could have cleared up this case once and for all,though certain behaviours have been suspicious such as the file on Sheila which conveniently went missing for the Prosecution from a Police Officer's loft in the early stages of the investigation. I do think Jeremy acted strangely as  to the news of the deaths(for example:"what if anything has happened in there;they're all I've got",whilst upon wearing his new Hugo Boss suit he remarks to DI Miller "I'm the boss" whilst pointing at the label). Of course it's speculation but I believe that Jeremy knew all inside were dead whilst he was supervised outside by Police,and if so this is shocking. Finally Essex Police are subject to public expenditure restraints like many public bodies and if it's true that money talks then maybe some rich benefactor can request any documents they need and speed up the process of acquiring them.

Yes it was suspicious the ahem... burglary of the file from a police officer's loft wasn't it . Nothing else stolen just a file from the loft . It almost makes you think that there was no burglary at all, and that it was just a pathetically weak cover story to enable someone to "get rid" of something for reasons that we can only guess at.
     But your probably right to believe the subjective opinions of the police because you also believe that they haven't withheld evidence, despite it being demonstrably provable that they have .
    So on balance I think you're right because thinking someone is acting strangely is a sure sign of a murderer . Added together with that other sure sign of guilt, allegedly making a comment to that most honest of coppers DI Miller about a Hugo Boss suit, that was the clincher for me 
   

[grahameb]

so you think they are just drip feeding the bits they want him to see and waste time on.?   

Probably on his death bed they will tell him he is innocent after all?

[Caroline R]

I don't believe Essex Police have withheld information which could have cleared up this case once and for all,though certain behaviours have been suspicious such as the file on Sheila which conveniently went missing for the Prosecution from a Police Officer's loft in the early stages of the investigation. I do think Jeremy acted strangely as  to the news of the deaths(for example:"what if anything has happened in there;they're all I've got",whilst upon wearing his new Hugo Boss suit he remarks to DI Miller "I'm the boss" whilst pointing at the label). Of course it's speculation but I believe that Jeremy knew all inside were dead whilst he was supervised outside by Police,and if so this is shocking. Finally Essex Police are subject to public expenditure restraints like many public bodies and if it's true that money talks then maybe some rich benefactor can request any documents they need and speed up the process of acquiring them.

What would an official file be doing in the loft of a police officer, was the filing cabinet full? Haven't read that before (other than when mentioned by you) - were did you read it? The 'Boss' comment is almost as ridiculous as the bow tie Miller was sporting. I imagine it lights up and spins around!!

[Jane]

Maybe I was thinking of the notebook.http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4700.15

Steve, I wonder if perhaps you've found your way onto the wrong thread. This on is, after all entitled "SEEKING the truth......................" YOU apparently KNOW it, or at least, unlike most of us, aren't prepared to be moved from what you consider it to be.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, I wonder if perhaps you've found your way onto the wrong thread. This on is, after all entitled "SEEKING the truth......................" YOU apparently KNOW it, or at least, unlike most of us, aren't prepared to be moved from what you consider it to be.

Don't get me going today or I'll have to revert to my usual verse akin to: "And in those early days it was Jeremy who rushed from Julie's bed at Goldsmiths for the evening repast at the White House,anticipating June's excoriation as he repaired thither, seated at the oak table and preparing for grace,a Jeremy still in those late teens constricted by the bourne of which he would vow to become unshackled, and as the resentment grew and the silence became ever more protracted  Jeremy invoked his own terrible revenge..

[gringo]

What would an official file be doing in the loft of a police officer, was the filing cabinet full? Haven't read that before (other than when mentioned by you) - were did you read it? The 'Boss' comment is almost as ridiculous as the bow tie Miller was sporting. I imagine it lights up and spins around!!

Hi Caroline , the burglary of the file has been referred to by Mike previously but can't remember where .
     Hunter mentions it in his book also. The following is lifted verbatim from Hunter's book :
     "The original file (SC/688/85) that was being prepared for the inquests during the initial 33 day period went missing in mysterious circumstances .
     Apparently a senior police officer or someone connected with the coroner's court took the file home and there was a burglary during which the entire original file (SC/688/85) was stolen ..
     Even more bizarre, the file had been placed in the loft of the person's house and we are informed that someone broke into the house and stole the file...
    Nothing else appears to have been taken...
    Is this explanation believable ? "


   So, unbelievable as it is, Steve used a fact in his post rather than his usual speculation and conjecture.
   Unfortunately, for Steve, the one fact which he does use would in the eyes of anyone objective undermine his belief that EP are not withholding any evidence.

[Jane]

Don't get me going today or I'll have to revert to my usual verse akin to: "And in those early days it was Jeremy who rushed from Julie's bed at Goldsmiths for the evening repast at the White House,anticipating June's excoriation as he repaired thither, seated at the oak table and preparing for grace,a Jeremy still in those late teens constricted by the bourne of which he would vow to become unshackled, and as the resentment grew and the silence became ever more protracted  Jeremy invoked his own terrible revenge..

Deeeeeear Steve!!! Heheheheheheheheheeeeeeeee

[HMEssex]

Don't get me going today or I'll have to revert to my usual verse akin to: "And in those early days it was Jeremy who rushed from Julie's bed at Goldsmiths for the evening repast at the White House,anticipating June's excoriation as he repaired thither, seated at the oak table and preparing for grace,a Jeremy still in those late teens constricted by the bourne of which he would vow to become unshackled, and as the resentment grew and the silence became ever more protracted  Jeremy invoked his own terrible revenge..

Noooo!  Anything but that!

[mertol22]

so you think they are just drip feeding the bits they want him to see and waste time on.?   

Something along those lines, because while he is going through them one thing is beyond his control  it gives time to the powers to be either to destroy what he cant see or file away for good, my disdain for our justice system I cant type here but I do think its time if need be for powers elsewhere to force such release of documents and sometimes secret files do go array and at the moment its his best shot its like someone thinking they have a winner lotto ticket.

[Nickos]

According to Hunter the audio tapes were recorded, via the kitchen telephone hanging off it's cradle, at the  police station . I don't believe that JB's team can obtain a court order to force the handing over .
     When Hunter raised the issue in parliament he asked the then Home Secretary to intervene to force EP to hand over the recordings but was told by the Home Secretary that it was a matter for the Chief Constable .
    It appears that the recordings still exist (six copies were made apparently) but that EP can simply refuse to co-operate .
    The laws of the land apparently don't cover this .
    I am sure there is more info on this and I will attempt to find out more but the parliamentary debate on it is enlightening confirming as it does that the Chief Constable can simply refuse .

Could you please elaborate on "appears that the recordings still exist"?

I though they had either been taped over or otherwise destroyed.

Has the Chief Constable actually (or anyone official) acknowledged, in writing, that the original tapes still exist containing evidence from 7 August 1985, or have some tapes thought to originate from that evening been requested, but the Chief Constable refuses any help generally - which of course does not acknowledge that such original tapes even exist.

There are so many "red herrings" on this forum the point of the tapes is moot unless the Chief Constable has original tape evidence, within his control, from 1985, and this is somehow confirmed - by him!

[Roch]

Could you please elaborate on "appears that the recordings still exist"?

I though they had either been taped over or otherwise destroyed.

Has the Chief Constable actually (or anyone official) acknowledged, in writing, that the original tapes still exist containing evidence from 7 August 1985, or have some tapes thought to originate from that evening been requested, but the Chief Constable refuses any help generally - which of course does not acknowledge that such original tapes even exist.

There are so many "red herrings" on this forum the point of the tapes is moot unless the Chief Constable has original tape evidence, within his control, from 1985, and this is somehow confirmed - by him!

I think the tapes are mentioned in Hunter manuscript.  6 copies taken (?).  There does not exisit any schedule that details their destruction.