Seeking the Truth for Jeremy Bamber

[lookout]

Thanks Lookout, this is it

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/lie-detector

That's the one Maggie. I do quite a bit of delving on the quiet.
96% of CCRC cases rejected.! Says it all really.

[lookout]

Forensic evidence from 5 eminent scientists was dismissed by the CCRC as having been speculatory.

[No-Bits]

Superb posting.  I'd like to see Nickos or any other substantial 'guilter' pick the bones out of that.

It's a little bit like groundhog day sometimes.

Just throwing this out there, but I've had a hard time understanding why there are mirrored blood stains on the pages of the bible, we all assume that the bible has been closed and then opened, producing this mirrored effect.

Is it not possible, or even more likely, that the blood stains were caused by soaking through pages rather than being closed and opened? Meaning the bible photographed in the open position, is not at the same page it was found.

What do you think? It would also explain the blood stain on the top right page which should be on the top left, which it would be if you turned the page.

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[Caroline R]

It's a little bit like groundhog day sometimes.

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I remember you writing that - didn't think it made sense then, or now

[No-Bits]

I remember you writing that - didn't think it made sense then, or now

Well no, of course YOU don't. 

No i don't think you are, I think it is a very possible explanation....really and it should be taken on board.

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[No-Bits]

That's right 'I' don't - it's quite obvious that it's a hand print!!

Okey dokey. 

[maggie]

Hi NoBits
I remember that occasion now and it did seem possible however, I'm afraid I have deserted you for the palm print, I am pretty convinced that the mark on the bible's page is a palm print, caroline's experiment with paint and her own palm was very convincing imo. 

[Caroline R]

You can see the ball of the thumb, the thumb leading off the page and the line that runs across the palm.

[No-Bits]

You can see the ball of the thumb, the thumb leading off the page and the line that runs across the palm.

I'm sure you can see anything you want to if you put your mind to it, hand prints, bodies in door ways, magazines on settles.

I however suspect, that if it was a hand print and had the significance suggested then we'd have all heard about it long before now.

(Just my opinion of course).

[lookout]

Yes,Sheila had slender hands and long fingers,,and that thumb print matches up. Jeremys' print would have been much bigger and wider. Besides that,,the court would have had a field day if it had turned out to be his.

[lookout]

I'm sure you can see anything you want to if you put your mind to it, hand prints, bodies in door ways, magazines on settles.

I however suspect, that if it was a hand print and had the significance suggested then we'd have all heard about it long before now.

(Just my opinion of course).

Hi No Bits,,yes,,we'd have all heard about the prints if they'd been Jeremys'.

[lebaleb]

Hi NN,

Nevill may have had a low opinion of local EP, but he never actually made any phone calls that night as I believe at the time JB alleges he received his call from Nevill, Nevill was already dead.

If NB had called anyone that night it would imo have been 999 (bearing in mind the emergency situation). For the reasons I have explained before Nevill would have tackled Shelia first.

Can you believe someone would make a telephone call in the middle of the night and ask them to come over to confront a deranged person with a gun - would you do that to one of your children (even theoretically).

The phone calls are made up – the phone staged off the hook by the killer to look as if Nevill had used it.

If Nevill had got through to JB – and the phone went dead.

This would imply;

1) Nevill (unwounded) had called JB and then cut the phone off himself – why? Even if Sheila had entered the Kitchen (with a gun) Nevill would have continued to plead with JB to get over, or left the phone open – and of course calling JB over would have put JB in direct risk of being shot as well – not for me – an angle JB overlooked in his made up story.
 
2) Sheila entered the kitchen and depressed the cut off button on the phone – this would have put Sheila within inches of Nevill (unwounded), who imo would have grabbed the gun and subdued Sheila,

3) If Nevill was wounded and others shot, Nevill would never have gone to the kitchen to make a telephone call to JB at that time of night.

Neville may have intended to make another call and depressed the button. It would have been prudent to call a doctor as when Sheila had an episode at Freddie's flat. He may have assumed they would be able to handle the situation. Then he heard June being shot and dropped the receiver.
If you look at the diagram of shots to RB. You will see he was shot 4 times to the head, 2 to the jaw, 1 to the arm and one to the shoulder. We can assume from the direction that there were 3 pairs of shots. Either  the shoulder or the arm shot happened on the stairs, accounting for the casing on the landing. This means that the 4 shots to ralph in the bedroom must have been 2 of the pairs i.e. 2 to the jaw and 2 to the head, or 4 to the head. It was a miracle that he made it to the kitchen.

[lookout]

Neville may have intended to make another call and depressed the button. It would have been prudent to call a doctor as when Sheila had an episode at Freddie's flat. He may have assumed they would be able to handle the situation. Then he heard June being shot and dropped the receiver.
If you look at the diagram of shots to RB. You will see he was shot 4 times to the head, 2 to the jaw, 1 to the arm and one to the shoulder. We can assume from the direction that there were 3 pairs of shots. Either  the shoulder or the arm shot happened on the stairs, accounting for the casing on the landing. This means that the 4 shots to ralph in the bedroom must have been 2 of the pairs i.e. 2 to the jaw and 2 to the head, or 4 to the head. It was a miracle that he made it to the kitchen.

Hi Lebaleb,,I think if Neville hadn't been the size that he was and coupled with his strength of character,,he would never have made it to the kitchen. It was what was left of his sheer dogged determination that got him there,,bless the man,I did feel sorry for him.

[maggie]

Hi Lebaleb,,I think if Neville hadn't been the size that he was and coupled with his strength of character,,he would never have made it to the kitchen. It was what was left of his sheer dogged determination that got him there,,bless the man,I did feel sorry for him.

I agree lebaleb/lookout, Ralph must have been staggering when he got to the kitchen the second time, he wouldn't have had much fight in him imo.

[lookout]

I agree lebaleb/lookout, Ralph must have been staggering when he got to the kitchen the second time, he wouldn't have had much fight in him imo.

Maggie,,I think Neville bore everyones' worries and problems on his shoulders,,as well as working on the farm at busy harvesting time,,he must have felt like giving up. He'd have been all-in that night.