Seeking the Truth for Jeremy Bamber

[Caroline R]

Caroline,you are probably right! But my theory could still be valid as she seemed to hate JB too?

All three of them had their own problem with him - Julie because she was jilted, Susan because of the cake incident and Liz because she slept with him behind her friends back.

[killingeve]

Hi NN,

I believe Nevill was battered quite a bit about the face and on the arms (defensive wounds?) as Nevill desperately fought for his life.

Even if shot (twice in the jaw, one shoulder one arm) I believe Nevill still had the ability to escape and to defend himself when caught in the Kitchen.

When people refer to Sheila having strength due to her going berserk, I believe even a wounded person has some considerable strength when defending themselves (Nevills four wounds at this stage were not life threatening in my non-medical opinion) - to me the wielding of the gun (breaking it) shows a considerable level of aggression from the attacker. Sheila was meant to have favoured her father to a degree and would not imo have inflicted such a sustained attack on Nevill – why kill him?

I believe if it was Sheila a wounded Nevill would have thrown himself at her and tackled her to the ground, but no Nevill had to run as the person they confronted was physically more powerful than Nevill
 
When Nevill had escaped downstairs why did Sheila not just shoot herself (with one shot in the bedroom) and just finish it – why chase him firing shots down the stairs and attack him in the kitchen clinically finishing Nevill with e the four (groups of two) clinical head shots – these murders were the work of someone who wanted them all dead – at all costs.

These murders to me represent more than a person going berserk, or being in a frenzy.

Hi Nickos

Your post does not stack up at all with the pathologist's report.  You believe Nevill still had the ability to escape and defend himself when caught in the kitchen.  How? 

PATHOLOGIST'S REPORT:

Wound 5 & 6 (Bedroom/stairs/landing)

could have been life threatening had other injuries not supervened. 

Caused extreme pain

Substantial loss of blood internally and externally

Wound 7 (Bedroom/stairs/landing)

Left arm TOTALLY IMPAIRED

SC was a very seriously ill mentally woman and to understand why she did what she did is I think beyond the understanding of the likes of us. 

[killingeve]

All three of them had their own problem with him - Julie because she was jilted, Susan because of the cake incident and Liz because she slept with him behind her friends back.

Morning Lady in Red 

The cake incident involved SB threatening JB with an aerosol can of whipped cream?  A bit insensitive I would say when his family had just been wiped out with firearms.  Sounds like that stupid, gross woman who shouted out "bang, bang" at David Rathband.

[susan]

Morning Nickos  if the story of the hitman came from Jeremy Bamber he too would know he would be found out as no proof of payment was paid for these services.  Had he ever said this it would have been in jest as steve uk is always telling us Jeremy was such a joker I think he was full of nonsense but no killer.  Hope you are well.xxx

[grahameb]

Hi Nickos

Your post does not stack up at all with the pathologist's report.  You believe Nevill still had the ability to escape and defend himself when caught in the kitchen.  How? 

PATHOLOGIST'S REPORT:

Wound 5 & 6 (Bedroom/stairs/landing)

could have been life threatening had other injuries not supervened. 

Caused extreme pain

Substantial loss of blood internally and externally

Wound 7 (Bedroom/stairs/landing)

Left arm TOTALLY IMPAIRED

SC was a very seriously ill mentally woman and to understand why she did what she did is I think beyond the understanding of the likes of us.

Possibly Nevill made the phone call to Jeremy before he rushed upstairs to see what Sheila had being doing? This probably explains the lack of blood on the phone. I don't think people realise that such a crime could be over in minutes. Bullets incapacitate people very effectively.

[Caroline R]

Morning Lady in Red 

The cake incident involved SB threatening JB was an aerosol can of whipped cream?  A bit insensitive I would say when his family had just been wiped out with firearms.  Sounds like that stupid, gross woman who shouted out "bang, bang" at David Rathband.

Morning NN, if someone pushed a cake in my face, I'd think it was hilarious - as long as it wasn't a random act or that hard icing!!  . She does sound a bit prissy!!

[Caroline R]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4072;image

If you look at the grey hatched area this suggest the possible position of the shooter. Nevill imo was on the far side of the bed.

So the shots were fired from the doorway area - across the bed / bedroom -  and hit Nevill in the jaw. Nevill then moves around the end of the bed and exits the bedroom making an escape - no phone call was ever made imo.

Nevill would never be in the kitchen making calls if Sheila had a loaded gun.

I'm sure there would have been quite a commotion during your scenario - so what are June and Sheila doing at this point? And wouldn't it involve Neville making his way past the gunman in order to leave the bedroom?

[killingeve]

Possibly Nevill made the phone call to Jeremy before he rushed upstairs to see what Sheila had being doing? This probably explains the lack of blood on the phone. I don't think people realise that such a crime could be over in minutes. Bullets incapacitate people very effectively.

Morning Grahame

I agree NB's phone call to JB was made prior to any shots being fired and the tragedy was over in minutes.  SC was in full control: unawareness of victims, surprise, shock and of course loaded firearm(s).

[maggie]

Morning Grahame

I agree NB's phone call to JB was made prior to any shots being fired and the tragedy was over in minutes.  SC was in full control: unawareness of victims, surprise, shock and of course loaded firearm(s).

I agree NN, I am also pretty certain no shots had been fired when Nevill called Jeremy, if they had he would have dialled 999, surely?  I guess he was worried and frightened as he could see things were getting out of hand but still unaware of the danger they were all in???

[maggie]

I'm sure there would have been quite a commotion during your scenario - so what are June and Sheila doing at this point? And wouldn't it involve Neville making his way past the gunman in order to leave the bedroom?

Hi Caroline, there is always that question to ask.  What was Sheila doing while Nevill was under fire, being chased downstairs, even if he was able to get past the gun man unscathed.  June may have already been dead or disabled in this a scenario like this but Sheila can't have been, therefore why was she not fighting back, defending the twins, ringing the police?  It just doesn't make sense imo.

[susan]

Hello Maggie I ask myself why Sheila did not try to protect her two wee boys whilst a gunman was on the loose after Ralph does not make any sense to me.  When this gunman entered the house through a window why did Crispy not bark and wake the family especially if it had been Jeremy as the doggie did not like him and the feeling was mutal one would have thought Jeremy would have shot the doggie as well.

[susan]

Hi Caroline if somebody pushed a cake in my face I would eat as much as I could

[maggie]

Hello Maggie I ask myself why Sheila did not try to protect her two wee boys whilst a gunman was on the loose after Ralph does not make any sense to me.  When this gunman entered the house through a window why did Crispy not bark and wake the family especially if it had been Jeremy as the doggie did not like him and the feeling was mutal one would have thought Jeremy would have shot the doggie as well.

I agree Susie and especially about Crispy.  We have all heard the story how Jeremy ordered the dog to be put down although we should all know by now, thanks to Susie and ngb, that this was not the true story.  However, Jeremy didn't particularly have any connection to Crispy so why if he had entered that house intent on murder did he not shoot Crispy to shut him up and get him out of the way?  It doesn't make sense at all.  On the other hand someone who was psychotic may have seen Crispy as her only friend in the house or may not have even registered the dog was there.  It just doesn't make any sense that Jeremy or any other third party, cold blooded killer, didn't shoot the dog imo.

[killingeve]

Hi Caroline if somebody pushed a cake in my face I would eat as much as I could

Hi Susan

What about your burgeoning waistline???!!! 

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline if somebody pushed a cake in my face I would eat as much as I could

I'm not a huge cake fan Susan - but there's nothing like a good old food fight!!