Seeking the Truth for Jeremy Bamber

[Caroline R]

Susan,  If I drink more than a half pint of bitter I begin to look like a bloodhound ! So I've been told
           

You don't drink this do you? 

[susan]

haughton if I drink half a pint of bitter I feel like a greyhound and I am totally out of control

[tyler]

Yuk..I hate gin and it makes me depressed. But I do love sloe gin!

[grahameb]

Yuk..I hate gin and it makes me depressed. But I do love sloe gin!

That just makes you depressed s-l-o-w-l-y.

[haughton]

 

    crikey!!

[Nickos]

Not so.....The shoulder and the arm shot was done with Neville's back to the shooter.  The shoulder shot was a downward shot which meant that the shooter was in a higher position than Neville.  Could have been that the shoulder shot was received when NB was going downstairs hence the case shell found on the landing.   

Nickos you have not responded to my lengthy reply from the previous page.   

But Yes so to the attempted head shots to Nevill across the bedroom.

I accept that the shoulder and arm shot were downwards and possibly when Nevill was fleeing downstairs, but again the shoulder shot I believe was a missed shot (at a moving target) to the head.

Nevill may have had his arm raised to protect his head for the fourth shot.

This was imo the work of a good shot – hitting Nevill twice from across the bedroom and hitting him again twice as he was moving - whilst in between the shots to Nevill also firing at June.

I will try and read through your lenghthy reply and respond asap 

[Nickos]

One reasonable objection to this senario is that no professional hitman would kill 5 people for any small amount of money. Today's terms are £600 just to frighten someone. JB's bank account would be very revealing and I doubt very much that he had that much cash around to make any hitman even to get out of bed.

Hi Grahame,

There is a sticking point in all scenarios and this is one with the accomplice scenario – but the accomplice scenario still niggles   

[Nickos]

Hi Grahame   I can't imagine a hit man in what we term as a hit man...one who goes in goes a professional job then out. 

Those murders are not done by anyone professional are they? 

Not one bullet was on target, yet no bullet missed any of them....

No one of sound mind could go it and kill like that and be normal in my opinion. 

Imo all bullets were on target - non missed?

The poor twins were killed quite efficiently (thankfully - in a way - whilst they slept).

June was brutally killed (not frenzied) by final shots to the head.

Nevill was shot whilst moving, beaten, and finally brutally killed (not frenzied) with shots to the head.

The reloading was very efficient - although I still suspect other preloaded magazines may have been used.

If the shooter in a frenzied state reloaded from the pile of bullets in the kitchen I would have expected some of the bullets to have been spilled on the kitchen floor and yet the pile of bullets was quite together -  if you see what I mean!

[tyler]

I can't see how the shots were fired at Nevill ACROSS the room. By the position of the cartridge cases it appears that the shooter was standing to the right of the bed and that Nevill was in the location of the doorway which suggests to me that he may have come up from downstairs (after phoning JB possibly). So the shooter was very close to Nevill imo.

[Nickos]

Hi N/N I get slightly irate over this hit man ridiculous theory and we all know where it came from don't we.

Yes, it came from JB.

Do you really think JM would have made that up! - actually naming McDonald when, if she had made it up, she would have known how wrong she was and been found out. If JM had made it up why name McDonald.

JB did this to deflect the blame away from himself, and pointed it at a known jack the lad with Walter Mitty mercenary credentials, knowing that if JM went to police with this, she would look foolish naming the wrong man.

[tyler]

Wasn't MM with Sue Battersby at the time of the murders? And MM's alibi was that he had spent the night with another woman (who confirmed his alibi) Maybe his name was thrown into the equation  from the girls in another case of revenge?

[Caroline R]

Wasn't MM with Sue Battersby at the time of the murders? And MM's alibi was that he had spent the night with another woman (who confirmed his alibi) Maybe his name was thrown into the equation  from the girls in another case of revenge?

I thought he was an ex of  Liz Rimmington?

[tyler]

Caroline,you are probably right! But my theory could still be valid as she seemed to hate JB too?

[Nickos]

I can't see how the shots were fired at Nevill ACROSS the room. By the position of the cartridge cases it appears that the shooter was standing to the right of the bed and that Nevill was in the location of the doorway which suggests to me that he may have come up from downstairs (after phoning JB possibly). So the shooter was very close to Nevill imo.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4072;image

If you look at the grey hatched area this suggest the possible position of the shooter. Nevill imo was on the far side of the bed.

So the shots were fired from the doorway area - across the bed / bedroom -  and hit Nevill in the jaw. Nevill then moves around the end of the bed and exits the bedroom making an escape - no phone call was ever made imo.

Nevill would never be in the kitchen making calls if Sheila had a loaded gun.

[campion]

Tyler your observation is so apposite. I suspect Liz Rimington's  involvement and wiliness, in so much of the machinations of this cleverly(?)  contrived apportionment of blame being heaped upon Jeremy.