Seeking the Truth for Jeremy Bamber

[Caroline R]

I've already given this a go   

I take it that you're ignoring me on purpose but if you can't answer the difficult questions your 'scenario' simply falls flat.

[Nickos]

Nickos, I have the impression that because you appear not to understand what is a psychotic episode is and does you're leaving it out of the equation.

April, what I am now leaving out of the equation (having considered both sides over many years and starting as a neutral) is that Sheila did it - there was no psychotic episode - there was no phone call.

We can leave it at that as I now 90% believe JB did it.

[maggie]

Hello Maggie maybe if you were holding a loaded rifle you would overcome any man.  At the onset do not think Ralph thought Sheila would use the rifle

No I wouldn't because they would still be able to get me unless I managed to get a direct hit or I was psychotic. 

[Nickos]

I take it that you're ignoring me on purpose but if you can't answer the difficult questions your 'scenario' simply falls flat.

How am I ignoring you – have you asked me something?

I was answering April1 Are you April1 as well?

I have given theoretical scenarios on this subject before. Please wade through my e-mails.

The problem here is that as anyone gets into a theoretical scenarios others will pick holes in it (because non of knows the full facts of that night).

I don't need to back up my theories with endless detail - I believe my points are quite clear(ish)

[Caroline R]

How am I ignoring you – have you asked me something?

I was answering April1 Are you April1 as well?

I have given theoretical scenarios on this subject before. Please wade through my e-mails.

The problem here is that as anyone gets into a theoretical scenarios others will pick holes in it (because non of knows the full facts of that night).

I don't need to back up my theories with endless detail - I believe my points are quite clear(ish)

I've asked you lots of questions but I find scenario's a bit pointless because they can't be proven/disproven either way. I guess you have said all you need to say in your last post.

[Jane]

April, what I am now leaving out of the equation (having considered both sides over many years and starting as a neutral) is that Sheila did it - there was no psychotic episode - there was no phone call.

We can leave it at that as I now 90% believe JB did it.

"There was no psychotic episode"...................despite that Sheila was a medically unstable diagnozed schizophrenic who had experienced previous episodes so grave that with the space of 6 months she'd been hospitalized twice, the second time discharging herself earlier than believed appropriate by her doctor, who despite saying that she was unlikely to take her own life because "she had too much to live for" had actually NOT had any contact with her from the time she discharged herself, 18 WEEKS. Her meds had been halved without any member of a mental health team checking up on her, a girl KNOWN for her laxity in taking meds. Within those 18 weeks he biological mother declined to involve herself in a mutual relationship with her and her ex husband declined, having found a new love, to rekindle their past relationship. She was already sliding into decline, as noted by a nurse who noticed how vague and unkempt she's become. Her ex husband speaks of her staring from a window and silence during the journey to WHF. 2 hours without speaking to ones childen is a long time especially as they are going on holiday. You are entitled to believe "there was no psychotic episode" but I feel that it's impossible to believe that she was mentally stable.

[Nickos]

I've asked you lots of questions but I find scenario's a bit pointless because they can't be proven/disproven either way. I guess you have said all you need to say in your last post.

Have you! - apologies I must have missed them, I do try and answer posts. Scenarios are a bit pointless, but I guess we are trying to imagine how it all happened!

[Nickos]

"There was no psychotic episode"...................despite that Sheila was a medically unstable diagnozed schizophrenic who had experienced previous episodes so grave that with the space of 6 months she'd been hospitalized twice, the second time discharging herself earlier than believed appropriate by her doctor, who despite saying that she was unlikely to take her own life because "she had too much to live for" had actually NOT had any contact with her from the time she discharged herself, 18 WEEKS. Her meds had been halved without any member of a mental health team checking up on her, a girl KNOWN for her laxity in taking meds. Within those 18 weeks he biological mother declined to involve herself in a mutual relationship with her and her ex husband declined, having found a new love, to rekindle their past relationship. She was already sliding into decline, as noted by a nurse who noticed how vague and unkempt she's become. Her ex husband speaks of her staring from a window and silence during the journey to WHF. 2 hours without speaking to ones childen is a long time especially as they are going on holiday. You are entitled to believe "there was no psychotic episode" but I feel that it's impossible to believe that she was mentally stable.

"there was no psychotic episode" that night. Yes, that is what I believe.

I agree Sheila was menatlly ill, but I believe she did not carry out these murders.

I am, going to take a break now and possibly return when JB's defence has something new to present otherwise this is really just a chat forum going around in circles.

[Jane]

"there was no psychotic episode" that night. Yes, that is what I believe.

I agree Sheila was menatlly ill, but I believe she did not carry out these murders.

I am, going to take a break now and possibly return when JB's defence has something new to present otherwise this is really just a chat forum going around in circles.

To which your own contribution has been most welcome :D Hope to see you soon. xx

[susan]

Hello Nickos  return when Mason Doyle's book is published shortly I am sure we will have something more positive to talk about.

[Roch]

Otherwise this is really just a chat forum going around in circles.

Nickos, I dont think you're that intested in anything that indicates the defence are in the right anway. 

There's a bloodied palm print on the bible, on the wrong page to the corresponding stain on the floor and at a different page position to the one that the bible is separated at in the crime scene pics! Prints on the bible were positively ID'd but this info was not released to defence.... who were by a strange coincidence told by none other than Stan Jones / EP that no photos of the bible existed in isolation (patently untrue) and that the bible had been destroyed.

So EP reckon they destroyed a bible found upon the 'murder' victim with a bloodied palm print upon it? Really?  I'm not sure whether you're ex police but I'd be interested as to what kind of exhibits related good-practice this action represents.

It's obvious the bloodied palm print doesn't belong to Jeremy Bamber otherwise the prosecution would have been screaming from the roof tops about it.  It wont belong to Nicholas or Daniel either.  So that seems to leave June or Sheila?

I know you don't like scenarios but if you want to be more serious than having pointless circular chat on a forum, maybe you could come up with some scenarios that incorporate why EP didn't seem to want the defence to know about the true circs of this exhibit?

[lookout]

The bible is where the truth has been hidden for over 28 years. Notes inside the bible " Love one another ",,then underneath,it starts to say " In determination--------------,,something not written by Jeremy,,but Sheila,,which has been UNLAWFULLY kept hidden. Withholding evidence is a very serious matter in a court of law,,something for which you and I would be prosecuted for,,but who polices the police when it comes to them having stopped this evidence from going to court in which to prove Jeremys' innocence.? Where is this material now ( inserts within the bible ? )I think Jeremy has every right to demand such evidence. He has no fear because he's an innocent victim.

[Jane]

The bible is where the truth has been hidden for over 28 years. Notes inside the bible " Love one another ",,then underneath,it starts to say " In determination--------------,,something not written by Jeremy,,but Sheila,,which has been UNLAWFULLY kept hidden. Withholding evidence is a very serious matter in a court of law,,something for which you and I would be prosecuted for,,but who polices the police when it comes to them having stopped this evidence from going to court in which to prove Jeremys' innocence.? Where is this material now ( inserts within the bible ? )I think Jeremy has every right to demand such evidence. He has no fear because he's an innocent victim.

Lookout, Jeremy has every right to demand ANYTHING which would help him, however, do you REALLY think that anything which might in any way point to his innocence, is still going to be available. I suspect it will have been destroyed out of fear of who it may actually incriminate.

[grahameb]

Lookout, Jeremy has every right to demand ANYTHING which would help him, however, do you REALLY think that anything which might in any way point to his innocence, is still going to be available. I suspect it will have been destroyed out of fear of who it may actually incriminate.

Yes I agree. The attitude of the CCRC seems to be, "You may very well be innocent. But because you're a pain in the neck you can stay in prison for the rest of your natural".

[lookout]

Lookout, Jeremy has every right to demand ANYTHING which would help him, however, do you REALLY think that anything which might in any way point to his innocence, is still going to be available. I suspect it will have been destroyed out of fear of who it may actually incriminate.

Hi April,,sadly,it can only incriminate Sheila,,in which case,there wouldn't,or shouldn't be a problem. The blood/fingerprints all point to her.
This situation is absolute madness.