No financial motive for shootings...

[tyler]

I think if truth be known the Bambers made RWB feel inferior. The Bambers were doing really well with their business,Neville buying up lots of land etc and RWB was effectively living off the Speakmans legacy. He doesn't appear to have had anything of his own. The Bamber children were attractive children and wanted for nothing and I do feel there was a lot of jealousy there. This is evident from AE's apparent competitiveness over managing the caravan park and also when Neville told AE that Jeremy was interested in buying Vaulty Manor and AE also wanted it. Remember she tore down her bathroom wallpaper in temper! She knew she would never be able to fund the purchase and probably knew damn well that Neville would see to it that Jeremy would get what he wanted. I don't think that June in particular had much love for her niece. She left AE the least amount of money in her will and that speaks volumes imo.   

[lookout]

well its funny that jeremy automatically accused them when the wallet and watch went missing what made him assume it was them.

I think he was beginning to realise what he was up against.

[lookout]

lookout  I am still laughing at nugnug's post but he could be right in what he said. I just imagine them leaving with a sack of goodies to go in the boot of the car

 
Whip it quick,,Susan. The quickness of the hand deceives the eye. Jeremy was having none of it.They thought he was soft altogether and got their eye wiped. Unless he'd already had prior warning from his father.

[Jane]

I think if truth be known the Bambers made RWB feel inferior. The Bambers were doing really well with their business,Neville buying up lots of land etc and RWB was effectively living off the Speakmans legacy. He doesn't appear to have had anything of his own. The Bamber children were attractive children and wanted for nothing and I do feel there was a lot of jealousy there. This is evident from AE's apparent competitiveness over managing the caravan park and also when Neville told AE that Jeremy was interested in buying Vaulty Manor and AE also wanted it. Remember she tore down her bathroom wallpaper in temper! She knew she would never be able to fund the purchase and probably knew damn well that Neville would see to it that Jeremy would get what he wanted. I don't think that June in particular had much love for her niece. She left AE the least amount of money in her will and that speaks volumes imo.

Tyler, her dislike of Sheila comes over loud and clear, which I put down to jealousy. There's no getting away from that Sheila was a STUNNER and put Ann in the shade. I can't help feeling that Ann thought she had no right to be that beautiful.

[tyler]

April, I get the feeling that AE didn't think that Sheila (and Jeremy) had a right to ANYTHING! Like you have said before,probably an attitude learned from RWB. And an attitude that clearly continued after the tragedy!

[lookout]

What a horrible way to be. Maybe if their attitudes had been different,,things would have been so good.
Jealousy is the worst trait,I think.That and greed. How unfortunate to be " blessed " with both.!

[Steve_uk]

I think if truth be known the Bambers made RWB feel inferior. The Bambers were doing really well with their business,Neville buying up lots of land etc and RWB was effectively living off the Speakmans legacy. He doesn't appear to have had anything of his own. The Bamber children were attractive children and wanted for nothing and I do feel there was a lot of jealousy there. This is evident from AE's apparent competitiveness over managing the caravan park and also when Neville told AE that Jeremy was interested in buying Vaulty Manor and AE also wanted it. Remember she tore down her bathroom wallpaper in temper! She knew she would never be able to fund the purchase and probably knew damn well that Neville would see to it that Jeremy would get what he wanted. I don't think that June in particular had much love for her niece. She left AE the least amount of money in her will and that speaks volumes imo.

"I remember one thing..it was at that point that I realized that I loathed that boy and couldn't bear being anywhere near him. I made my excuses and left with Pam,my wife."http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=513.0

[Jane]

April, I get the feeling that AE didn't think that Sheila (and Jeremy) had a right to ANYTHING! Like you have said before,probably an attitude learned from RWB. And an attitude that clearly continued after the tragedy!

What a horrible way to be. Maybe if their attitudes had been different,,things would have been so good.
Jealousy is the worst trait,I think.That and greed. How unfortunate to be " blessed " with both.!

Lookout/Tyler, it shows very clearly how patterns repeat. I see RWB as a bully who bent others to his will. My own mother had family members who she disliked and there were cousins I wasn't allowed to asssociate with. If I mentioned seeing them, she would repeat the mantra on how they were to be avoided because of....................I am only NOW starting to get to know these people and guess what!!!! The only thing wrong with them was my mother's opinion of them. It was ALL about HER dislike and HER jealousy because the cousins concerned where more popular than she was. SHE split the family because of it.

[nugnug]

I think he was beginning to realise what he was up against.

i think they haad stuff from the house before that's why he just assumed it was them.

[Jane]

"I remember one thing..it was at that point that I realized that I loathed that boy and couldn't bear being anywhere near him. I made my excuses and left with Pam,my wife."http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=513.0

I never, for a moment, doubted it Steve. When one has been forced to live with it, one recognizes it in others.

[Steve_uk]

Maybe Robert Boutflour spoke as he found. Far better to be a barometer than a weather cock. In the statement  we get the conversation recalled in which Jeremy said he could easily kill his parents,we get June relating to Pam that Jeremy was trying to get Sheila to load bullets into a gun to no avail,we get no mention of the fostering issue when Pamela put the telephone down that Tuesday night,we get Robert's view that Jeremy never took an interest in animals and therefore the shooting rabbits story is suspicious,we get Nevill talking to John Speakman about his son and ending up in tears..http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=513.0

[Caroline R]

Maybe Robert Boutflour spoke as he found. Far better to be a barometer than a weather cock. In the statement  we get the conversation recalled in which Jeremy said he could easily kill his parents,we get June relating to Pam that Jeremy was trying to get Sheila to load bullets into a gun to no avail,we get no mention of the fostering issue when Pamela put the telephone down that Tuesday night,we get Robert's view that Jeremy never took an interest in animals and therefore the shooting rabbits story is suspicious,we get Nevill talking to John Speakman about his son and ending up in tears..http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=513.0

All we get RWB's accusations and he 'loathed' Jeremy - by his own admission.

[Jane]

Maybe Robert Boutflour spoke as he found. Far better to be a barometer than a weather cock. In the statement  we get the conversation recalled in which Jeremy said he could easily kill his parents,we get June relating to Pam that Jeremy was trying to get Sheila to load bullets into a gun to no avail,we get no mention of the fostering issue when Pamela put the telephone down that Tuesday night,we get Robert's view that Jeremy never took an interest in animals and therefore the shooting rabbits story is suspicious,we get Nevill talking to John Speakman about his son and ending up in tears..http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=513.0

Steve, if RWB spoke as he found, we must accept that as the adult to Jeremy's child, what he found was what he's created. I really don't believe it unreasonable to think that she saw Sheila and Jeremy as standing between his own children and what SHOULD but for the process of adoption, been theirs. It's really of NO importance that you say they'd have received monies from other quarters.

Let's look at why Jeremy said the words you so often bandy about. I think RWB was provoking him, maybe pushing him to see what he could get out of him to report back to Nevill. Do you imagine that Jeremy was unaware of what he did. I wouldn't mind betting that he'd picked up from a small boy just what "Uncle Bobbie" thought of him.

So June relates to her sister that Jeremy tried/failed to get Sheila to load a gun. You don't say when. What might we read into this? She was fed up with playing boys games with her brother 4 years her junior so she wouldn't co operate? She was perfectly capable of loading a gun if she wanted to, but she didn't? Re June's phonecall with Pam, rather late at night, there may already have been tension in the room regarding the twins future care. June would not have wished to push it further so said words to the effect of being concerned about Sheila.

RWB makes even the air that Jeremy breaths sound suspicious. I've certainly NEVER heard of a farmer's son who can't shoot rabbits by the age of 8. It's a rite of passage. I can make no comment re John Speakman's interview with an emotional Nevill because it's the first I've heard of it. I will wish you Good Night.

[nugnug]

but thats not the full story he dident just loathe jeremy he loathed all of them.

[Caroline R]

but thats not the full story he dident just loathe jeremy he loathed all of them.

Perhaps, but he 'admitted' to his dislike of Jeremy.