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Offline maggie

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #435 on: August 20, 2013, 02:24:AM »
oh yes come to think of it she did.
I think you may find that is because she did.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #436 on: August 20, 2013, 12:25:PM »
i wasnt trying to imply she was lying i dont know ethere way.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #437 on: August 21, 2013, 12:27:AM »
Evening, everyone, I've not been able to follow the forum because once again, when I try to log in from my.internet connection, I'm told I'm banned  :( mods or admins, help pls? Just discovered I can get in on my phone.

I haven't commented on the Simon Hall situation because, like everyone else, I don't know all of the facts. As far as taking things at face value is concerned, are the critics suggesting that Dr Michael Naughton, the entire innocence project, the various other experts who were involved, the MPs and  campaign groups  and documentary makers  ALL took the claims of innocence at face value, or is that just reserved for me? Is it also being suggested that stirling University and the Scottish centre for Crime and Justice Research, as well as their external examiners also accept research at face value? Please, a little common sense!

If it turns out that Simon Halls confession is genuine, made in sound mind, without any coercion or pressure, then I will willingly hold up my hands and say I got it wrong. That doesn't, however, take away from the fact that the conviction was obtained on the flimsiest evidence (so said the DPP himself)  and that should sound an alarmfor everyone that wrongfulconvictions of innocent people are inevitable if such weak circumstantial cases are not robustly challenged. I, for one, would rather keep on questioning until there are convincing answers to the unanswered questions in cases like this , of course there will be times when the person turns out to be guilty as charged, but in the words of Roy Ramm, I want to see solid building blocks of evidence - otherwise, we're depending on blind faith, and handing over out right to know that truePp justice is being obtained in return for "trust us, we know who the bad guys are" placations.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #438 on: August 21, 2013, 12:31:AM »
Apologies for typos - I'm not very good at doing this on the phone  :-[

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #439 on: August 21, 2013, 10:19:AM »
Evening, everyone, I've not been able to follow the forum because once again, when I try to log in from my.internet connection, I'm told I'm banned  :( mods or admins, help pls? Just discovered I can get in on my phone.



You are certainly not banned.  I will see if I can find out what the problem is.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #440 on: August 21, 2013, 01:52:PM »
ive got a funny feeling we are not going to get anymore details about this.

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« Reply #441 on: August 21, 2013, 04:10:PM »
Evening, everyone, I've not been able to follow the forum because once again, when I try to log in from my.internet connection, I'm told I'm banned  :( mods or admins, help pls? Just discovered I can get in on my phone.

I haven't commented on the Simon Hall situation because, like everyone else, I don't know all of the facts. As far as taking things at face value is concerned, are the critics suggesting that Dr Michael Naughton, the entire innocence project, the various other experts who were involved, the MPs and  campaign groups  and documentary makers  ALL took the claims of innocence at face value, or is that just reserved for me? Is it also being suggested that stirling University and the Scottish centre for Crime and Justice Research, as well as their external examiners also accept research at face value? Please, a little common sense!

If it turns out that Simon Halls confession is genuine, made in sound mind, without any coercion or pressure, then I will willingly hold up my hands and say I got it wrong. That doesn't, however, take away from the fact that the conviction was obtained on the flimsiest evidence (so said the DPP himself)  and that should sound an alarmfor everyone that wrongfulconvictions of innocent people are inevitable if such weak circumstantial cases are not robustly challenged. I, for one, would rather keep on questioning until there are convincing answers to the unanswered questions in cases like this , of course there will be times when the person turns out to be guilty as charged, but in the words of Roy Ramm, I want to see solid building blocks of evidence - otherwise, we're depending on blind faith, and handing over out right to know that truePp justice is being obtained in return for "trust us, we know who the bad guys are" placations.
Can you point me to where the DPP said, that Hall was convicted on the flimsiest of evidence?

Personally, I think that the fibre evidence was anything but flimsy, crucially the jury also thought so.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #442 on: August 21, 2013, 04:14:PM »
he said before he was the dpp.

kier stammer qc apeared said it in the simon hall documetry he is now the dpp.

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« Reply #443 on: August 21, 2013, 04:27:PM »
he said before he was the dpp.

kier stammer qc apeared said it in the simon hall documetry he is now the dpp.
I don't believe he used those words at all.

I recall him saying that if you broke the fibre evidence, the case falls apart.

The fibre evidence was robustly challenged (at appeal, of course) and was most certainly not broken, quite the opposite in fact.

If if's and and's were pots and pans there'd be no work for tinkers hands.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #444 on: August 21, 2013, 04:38:PM »
it would be helpfull if we could find the documentry agian.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #445 on: August 21, 2013, 10:30:PM »
I don't believe he used those words at all.

I recall him saying that if you broke the fibre evidence, the case falls apart.



This is how I recall it too.

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« Reply #446 on: August 21, 2013, 10:35:PM »
im going to trawl around the internet tommrow and see if i can find the documentary again.

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« Reply #447 on: August 21, 2013, 10:41:PM »
im going to trawl around the internet tommrow and see if i can find the documentary again.
I think it's within the Rough Justice (The Innocents Brief) programme. Steph did put a link to it on here a little while back. Maybe it's gone now.

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« Reply #448 on: August 21, 2013, 10:43:PM »
well she gave me has gone.

i think it was tho her youtube channel which has also gone.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #449 on: August 21, 2013, 10:50:PM »