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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #330 on: August 14, 2013, 12:34:AM »
Paris,

Your message was a clear attack on everyone who campaigned for Simon, you said "they were happy to splash it all over the net, blaming everyone else and cause distress to Mrs Albert's family"

I am not accusing you of anything, just asking why these attacks and judgements, the message may have been addressed to you but actually it was for a lot of people here.

Anyone campaigning for a MOJ or any other cause will of course use internet and media to publish their case and find help though in my days there was no facebook or forums like this thank god. 

If you think I was happy to splash my face all over the press, you should ask my parents how they felt when I told them I was going to court to see a friend being trialed for murder, as for campaigning for him...  Noone was every happy about having their faces on the front pages and being associated with a murder, it's not the kind of publicity anyone would want for their children but it had to be done at the time and with the best of intentions.

I am not angry or mad at anyone in particular, I am saddened by everyone gossiping and also by Simon, I can only be honest about how I feel, I have been quiet for a very long time despite a lot has been said about me.

Not a day went by when I campaign when I didn't think about Mrs Albert, and this campaign was as much about finding justice for her as it was for Simon.

I didn't accuse you of started the thread, I said your post was personal which it was and I am not here to argue, I just felt something had to be said.

Simon's mum must be back to how she felt the day her son was convicted and you know how that feels, most people don't, I don't.  Whatever Simon's done and whatever people think, Simon's mother didn't go out to campaign knowing that her son would do this 12 yrs later and for anyone judging her, shame on them.

Don't be offended, life is too short.

Neil, you're right, I take responsibility for what I did, actually I didn't do anything wrong and believed in my work.  Denn has just explained that it's essential to use media and internet when you campaign.

How would you suggest we did campaign?  Isn't the point of a campaign to raise awareness for a cause?  There isn't just one MOj in the world, and using the internet has allowed people to come together and do some good work for the cause.  It's a shame that some of it gets defaced by people like you on forum like these?  It's like finding a cure for someone and keeping it to yourself, unless people work together it will never happen.  A bit like this campaign really.
 
I have witnessed heated conversations between you and Stephanie Hall but still you said earlier you studied the case so you too must be disappointed?  Or did you know all along?

Your vendetta isn't with me I'm afraid and once again, noone has ever been proved innocent because a forum said so.

You are free to comment on the case as it was public as you said, but our private lives were not exposed and therefore you do not know who you are judging.

I've had my cake and believe me I've eaten it 10 times over!
I have never once commented on you, I know nothing of your private life and am not in the slightest bit interested in it. I have never judged you and have no desire to, I don't recall ever having a crossed word with Steph Hall, as for heated conversation, you are mistaken.
However, whilst reading up on Simons case I have come across you, Shaun Hall and Steph Hall exchanging unpleasant posts, on this very forum!

I started off thinking Simon was guilty, was seriously swayed by arguments put forward by the defence and then, some months ago reverted back to guilty. I kept away from the Simon Hall thread at that point as I felt that my input would be unhelpful.

I consider my opinion to be as worthy as yours or anyone else's

On a general note, it seems that people who post on here seem to think that the whole world is watching.
Guess what....they ain't.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #331 on: August 14, 2013, 12:35:AM »
You and me both, something is not right.

But it is said that he secretly told a third party..and expected them to keep his secret to themselves..

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #332 on: August 14, 2013, 12:39:AM »
But it is said that he secretly told a third party..and expected them to keep his secret to themselves..

As other people have said there is more to this than we know at present, I'll reserve judgment until I hear from SH or from his family (Parents and Brother) tbh

If this third party was another prisoner or even his wife I'm not sure I'd give it much credence. But that's just me.
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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #333 on: August 14, 2013, 12:41:AM »
depends really on who this 3rd party was and why would this 3rd party be believed

i mean he could still of denied it and said the 3rd party was lying.
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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #334 on: August 14, 2013, 12:45:AM »
I have never once commented on you, I know nothing of your private life and am not in the slightest bit interested in it. I have never judged you and have no desire to, I don't recall ever having a crossed word with Steph Hall, as for heated conversation, you are mistaken.
However, whilst reading up on Simons case I have come across you, Shaun Hall and Steph Hall exchanging unpleasant posts, on this very forum!

I started off thinking Simon was guilty, was seriously swayed by arguments put forward by the defence and then, some months ago reverted back to guilty. I kept away from the Simon Hall thread at that point as I felt that my input would be unhelpful.

I consider my opinion to be as worthy as yours or anyone else's

On a general note, it seems that people who post on here seem to think that the whole world is watching.
Guess what....they ain't.

someone is contradicting thereself!! we are all entitled to express how we feel..and are justified in doing so..I cant take this type of ranting on..it reminds me of some one else..nite all xx

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #335 on: August 14, 2013, 12:49:AM »
depends really on who this 3rd party was and why would this 3rd party be beloved

i mean he could still of denied it and said the 3rd party was lying.

Really does depend who the third party was.  He may feel all hope was gone, I don't know I'm guessing just as everyone else is. We're all entitled to our opinion, I'm choosing to reserve mine for now. Time will tell.

Just as an aside, I think these sort of forums are important simply to keep in touch with other campaigns and to swap experience. I don't see why people get all bent out of shape over other people's opinions, because that's all they are and as I've said we're all entitled to one of those. So keep calm and keep posting...

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #336 on: August 14, 2013, 12:51:AM »
As other people have said there is more to this than we know at present, I'll reserve judgment until I hear from SH or from his family (Parents and Brother) tbh

If this third party was another prisoner or even his wife I'm not sure I'd give it much credence. But that's just me.

well I hope we do get to hear what exactely went down an explanation is due thats for sure..but have a feeling we will hear nothing..

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #337 on: August 14, 2013, 12:53:AM »
well I hope we do get to hear what exactely went down an explanation is due thats for sure..but have a feeling we will hear nothing..

Sadly for those I've mentioned in earlier post I think you may be right.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #338 on: August 14, 2013, 12:56:AM »
Really does depend who the third party was.  He may feel all hope was gone, I don't know I'm guessing just as everyone else is. We're all entitled to our opinion, I'm choosing to reserve mine for now. Time will tell.

Just as an aside, I think these sort of forums are important simply to keep in touch with other campaigns and to swap experience. I don't see why people get all bent out of shape over other people's opinions, because that's all they are and as I've said we're all entitled to one of those. So keep calm and keep posting...

Thanks yes your right, I feel the same ;) and I will :)
I am off to bed now nite xx

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #339 on: August 14, 2013, 12:59:AM »
Really does depend who the third party was.  He may feel all hope was gone, I don't know I'm guessing just as everyone else is. We're all entitled to our opinion, I'm choosing to reserve mine for now. Time will tell.

Just as an aside, I think these sort of forums are important simply to keep in touch with other campaigns and to swap experience. I don't see why people get all bent out of shape over other people's opinions, because that's all they are and as I've said we're all entitled to one of those. So keep calm and keep posting...

Hi Den, I don't think it's 'opinions' that are the problem, it's when people get personal. Simon's confession is still very raw for quite a few people (especially those close to him) and I guess being discussed on the internet just adds to their pain. I agree that these forums have a lot of merit but sometimes they descend into chaos because people get too personal.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #340 on: August 14, 2013, 12:59:AM »
Really does depend who the third party was.  He may feel all hope was gone, I don't know I'm guessing just as everyone else is. We're all entitled to our opinion, I'm choosing to reserve mine for now. Time will tell.

Just as an aside, I think these sort of forums are important simply to keep in touch with other campaigns and to swap experience. I don't see why people get all bent out of shape over other people's opinions, because that's all they are and as I've said we're all entitled to one of those. So keep calm and keep posting...

well cell mate connfessions are worthless i think everybody knows that now ive noticed thieve even stoped trying to use them as evidence.

and i cant see his wife's word counting for much if he choose to carry on protesting his innocence i mean thered just think it was case of a woman scorned.

so it really is a mystery.


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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #341 on: August 14, 2013, 01:55:AM »
well cell mate connfessions are worthless i think everybody knows that now ive noticed thieve even stoped trying to use them as evidence.

and i cant see his wife's word counting for much if he choose to carry on protesting his innocence i mean thered just think it was case of a woman scorned.

so it really is a mystery.

On jailhouse confessions, they can't be used to convict but in the new trial with a new suspect in our case it's being used as a defence. The new suspect has got DNA evidence against him but his defence is that the two people who were originally convicted and the had their case overturned on appeal 8 years later and a retrial with a not guilty verdict were in fact the killers. This is the second trial of this guy as the first resulted in a hung jury. You can look it up. Just google Rachel Manning Murder Trial and go back to the first trial.

By the way neither of the two who won their appeal got any compensation, go figure they have to prove their innocence, I kid you not.
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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #342 on: August 14, 2013, 03:28:AM »
The problem with this campaign was people ended up judging it by the campaigner and not the facts of the case unfortunately. I have a great deal of sympathy for SH parents who I've met many times and Steffie Bonn who started this campaign and had it hijacked for some reason yet to be discovered....xxx
Hi Denn15. I agree wholeheartedly with your first sentence.Mrs.Hall really didn't help matters though by demolishing Simon's character through the online blogs she wrote in Simon's name.
We ALL have a great deal of sympathy for Simon's parents and brother and always have had,regardless of whether Simon is innocent or guilty. And members of this forum have always shown respect for Miss Bonn,for not only standing by her close friend and believing in him.but for putting in all the hours/work/money in order to fight for his freedom. Miss Bonn achieved great things,and I'm sorry for her for the unexpected outcome.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #343 on: August 14, 2013, 07:32:AM »
I had little interest in the SH case, but read it so I knew what others were talking about. Once I knew about that spare key and the broken window I became suspicious....more so when this was never mentioned in the available text.

Suggestions that SH confessed to protect someone else don't stand up. If he was a prisoner in South Korea or Syria facing torture/execution...then that would be a valid point. He is in the UK !!

He has obviously told someone. They have then ensured that the truth emerges.

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Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #344 on: August 14, 2013, 07:47:AM »
On jailhouse confessions, they can't be used to convict but in the new trial with a new suspect in our case it's being used as a defence. The new suspect has got DNA evidence against him but his defence is that the two people who were originally convicted and the had their case overturned on appeal 8 years later and a retrial with a not guilty verdict were in fact the killers. This is the second trial of this guy as the first resulted in a hung jury. You can look it up. Just google Rachel Manning Murder Trial and go back to the first trial.

By the way neither of the two who won their appeal got any compensation, go figure they have to prove their innocence, I kid you not.

Really ? Tell that to the cardiff three. Their conviction for the brutal murder of  Lynette White rested solely on evidence from a fellow convict "jailhouse confession". They were eventually found not guilty due to one of the three being oppressively interviewed.