ECHR ..... now - Killers' life terms 'breached their human rights'

[Jane]

I can´t get over that she took notes of what Jeremy said on the very morning after the murders. She was hugging him and seemingly comforting him on the outside, but behind his back, she immediately went to work to destroy him. Wonder what was going through her mind. Even the EP asked her to tone it down - she took notes of everything! She must have annoyed the heck out of them!
I have a feeling I would not get along with her.

Lookout/Alias, benefit of doubt is rather like elastic. It can only be stretched so far

[Caroline R]

I can´t get over that she took notes of what Jeremy said on the very morning after the murders. She was hugging him and seemingly comforting him on the outside, but behind his back, she immediately went to work to destroy him. Wonder what was going through her mind. Even the EP asked her to tone it down - she took notes of everything! She must have annoyed the heck out of them!
I have a feeling I would not get along with her.

I totally agree, it's very strange behaviour and I don't accept for a single second that she/they suspected him from the off. They seemed to talk themselves into it, came up with a theory, then found evidence to suit. Usually, the evidence leads to a theory - t'was very much the other way in this case!!

[lookout]

I can´t get over that she took notes of what Jeremy said on the very morning after the murders. She was hugging him and seemingly comforting him on the outside, but behind his back, she immediately went to work to destroy him. Wonder what was going through her mind. Even the EP asked her to tone it down - she took notes of everything! She must have annoyed the heck out of them!
I have a feeling I would not get along with her.

I know that I wouldn't have got on with her,Alias.

[Patti]

I think this case could have been made to fit any Tom Dick or Harry.  This is why there is a majority of people that don't know who did it one way or the other.  The scenario that Jeremy set the scene, went back and shot his family for money is so far fetched it reminds me of Hollywood.

Jeremy was criticised for everything he said and did.  He was even criticised for wearing two jumpers on the morning of the 7th August...yet it was his natural way of dressing as seen in many photographs he is wearing two sets of clothing....there was nothing unusual about this, yet it was brought up in court about the way he had dressed. The police wanted the jury to think he had dressed for the occasion by implying he was smartly dressed.  He wasn't smartly dressed he had trainers on and Jeans,.plus two jumpers may have been a tea shirt underneath....Then they said he went back to his car to fetch his jacket...so what? How many of us carry our coats and jackets in the car...I do and my son clutters my car with his clothing....So it was not unusual all...It just goes to show how the police wanted the jury to think that he had set it all up....

[Jane]

I think this case could have been made to fit any Tom Dick or Harry.  This is why there is a majority of people that don't know who did it one way or the other.  The scenario that Jeremy set the scene, went back and shot his family for money is so far fetched it reminds me of Hollywood.

Jeremy was criticised for everything he said and did.  He was even criticised for wearing two jumpers on the morning of the 7th August...yet it was his natural way of dressing as seen in many photographs he is wearing two sets of clothing....there was nothing unusual about this, yet it was brought up in court about the way he had dressed. The police wanted the jury to think he had dressed for the occasion by implying he was smartly dressed.  He wasn't smartly dressed he had trainers on and Jeans,.plus two jumpers may have been a tea shirt underneath....Then they said he went back to his car to fetch his jacket...so what? How many of us carry our coats and jackets in the car...I do and my son clutters my car with his clothing....So it was not unusual all...It just goes to show how the police wanted the jury to think that he had set it all up....

Patti, as I said yesterday, according to Steve's line of thinking, even the fact of Jeremy taking in oxygen pointed to his guilt.

[maggie]

I think this case could have been made to fit any Tom Dick or Harry.  This is why there is a majority of people that don't know who did it one way or the other.  The scenario that Jeremy set the scene, went back and shot his family for money is so far fetched it reminds me of Hollywood.

Jeremy was criticised for everything he said and did.  He was even criticised for wearing two jumpers on the morning of the 7th August...yet it was his natural way of dressing as seen in many photographs he is wearing two sets of clothing....there was nothing unusual about this, yet it was brought up in court about the way he had dressed. The police wanted the jury to think he had dressed for the occasion by implying he was smartly dressed.  He wasn't smartly dressed he had trainers on and Jeans,.plus two jumpers may have been a tea shirt underneath....Then they said he went back to his car to fetch his jacket...so what? How many of us carry our coats and jackets in the car...I do and my son clutters my car with his clothing....So it was not unusual all...It just goes to show how the police wanted the jury to think that he had set it all up....

I agree Patti, where there wasn't hearsay there was inference and suggestion. 

I don't know how they ever got away with this trial, as you say is Jeremy on trial for wearing two jumpers and a tee shirt while attending a murder scene or because there is actually hard evidence that he murdered his family. 

It would make a brilliant comedy sketch but unfortunately, it's just not funny.

[Patti]

Patti, as I said yesterday, according to Steve's line of thinking, even the fact of Jeremy taking in oxygen pointed to his guilt.

Hi Lovely April

Some people believe in what they are told for the first time its human nature and then it becomes difficult to change the mind once the seed has been planted. The media is brilliant at this and so are the government at election times...Not sure if you understand where I am coming from lol 

[lookout]

I agree Patti, where there wasn't hearsay there was inference and suggestion. 

I don't know how they ever got away with this trial, as you say is Jeremy on trial for wearing two jumpers and a tee shirt while attending a murder scene or because there is actually hard evidence that he murdered his family. 

It would make a brilliant comedy sketch but unfortunately, it's just not funny.

Hi Maggie,,I've thought many a time that if it wasn't so serious,it could well have been a script for a Brian Rix farce. The bicycle,,wetsuit,,marigolds,bungling investigation,,was it,or wasn't it a figure at the window,,,mis-counting ( bodies ),and so it goes on.When you think about it,,the whole investigation was an utter disgrace for the enormity of the crime,,which wasn't even treated with the reverance it deserved with one thing and another.

[Patti]

I agree Patti, where there wasn't hearsay there was inference and suggestion. 

I don't know how they ever got away with this trial, as you say is Jeremy on trial for wearing two jumpers and a tee shirt while attending a murder scene or because there is actually hard evidence that he murdered his family. 

It would make a brilliant comedy sketch but unfortunately, it's just not funny.

Morning Maggie

Hope you are OK...

The other thing that really annoys me is the fact he is blasted for selling stuff from the house. He had to sell stuff he had to raise a great deal of money...He had no time to grieve in my opinion...he had to pay death duties, wages funerals ect....If Jeremy was that greedy then why did he himself flog his mothers jewellery, why did he give the keys to AE and place her husband as farm manager..None of it makes sense...why because its all made up...

[maggie]

Morning Maggie

Hope you are OK...

The other thing that really annoys me is the fact he is blasted for selling stuff from the house. He had to sell stuff he had to raise a great deal of money...He had no time to grieve in my opinion...he had to pay death duties, wages funerals ect....If Jeremy was that greedy then why did he himself flog his mothers jewellery, why did he give the keys to AE and place her husband as farm manager..None of it makes sense...why because its all made up...

Morning Patti, I feel like crap thank you 

Have tried to write a post twice and each time it's deleted itself, which may be telling me something.  I have no energy to do anything other than accept this ruling and retire.  Speak later 

[Jane]

Morning Maggie

Hope you are OK...

The other thing that really annoys me is the fact he is blasted for selling stuff from the house. He had to sell stuff he had to raise a great deal of money...He had no time to grieve in my opinion...he had to pay death duties, wages funerals ect....If Jeremy was that greedy then why did he himself flog his mothers jewellery, why did he give the keys to AE and place her husband as farm manager..None of it makes sense...why because its all made up...

Patti, I think there is a misunderstanding surrounding them. For "family" we should read "dysasty." Sentiment played little or no part of it. Business came first. Their employees owed them a duty but they, too, owed their employees a duty in the form of a wage being paid on time. A lesser version of "The King is dead. Long live the King." It works the same way with many of the larger farming family's in this area. Whatever dramas are being played out in the house, on the farm, life carries on as normal because the alternative is, if they turn their backs on it for too long, it will fall apart.

[Patti]

Hi Maggie,,I've thought many a time that if it wasn't so serious,it could well have been a script for a Brian Rix farce. The bicycle,,wetsuit,,marigolds,bungling investigation,,was it,or wasn't it a figure at the window,,,mis-counting ( bodies ),and so it goes on.When you think about it,,the whole investigation was an utter disgrace for the enormity of the crime,,which wasn't even treated with the reverance it deserved with one thing and another.

Morning Lookout

One can imagine Buster Keeton and Chaplin doing a none speaking movie in Keystone Cops! lol 

Keeton on a penny farthing in a wetsuit and Jones played by Chaplin....running after him...lol I'm rambling this morning...

[Caroline R]

I think this case could have been made to fit any Tom Dick or Harry.  This is why there is a majority of people that don't know who did it one way or the other.  The scenario that Jeremy set the scene, went back and shot his family for money is so far fetched it reminds me of Hollywood.

Jeremy was criticised for everything he said and did.  He was even criticised for wearing two jumpers on the morning of the 7th August...yet it was his natural way of dressing as seen in many photographs he is wearing two sets of clothing....there was nothing unusual about this, yet it was brought up in court about the way he had dressed. The police wanted the jury to think he had dressed for the occasion by implying he was smartly dressed.  He wasn't smartly dressed he had trainers on and Jeans,.plus two jumpers may have been a tea shirt underneath....Then they said he went back to his car to fetch his jacket...so what? How many of us carry our coats and jackets in the car...I do and my son clutters my car with his clothing....So it was not unusual all...It just goes to show how the police wanted the jury to think that he had set it all up....

It reminds me of a movie too - I sometimes watch Columbo in the early hours if I can't sleep - there have been one or two with elements of the Bamber case!!

I don't understand why police mentioned what he was wearing? He could have been wearing a pink elephant costume - but it wouldn't mean he was guilty!!

[lookout]

Morning Lookout

One can imagine Buster Keeton and Chaplin doing a none speaking movie in Keystone Cops! lol 

Keeton on a penny farthing in a wetsuit and Jones played by Chaplin....running after him...lol I'm rambling this morning...

Morning Patti,,yes it conjures up all kinds of situations especially in the silent movie era.There'd have to be a Laurel and Hardy pair as well somewhere. A blockbuster in the making.

[Jane]

Hi Lovely April

Some people believe in what they are told for the first time its human nature and then it becomes difficult to change the mind once the seed has been planted. The media is brilliant at this and so are the government at election times...Not sure if you understand where I am coming from lol 

Lovely Patti, sorry I missed this. You're right..........and have you noticed that until we stop to think, none of our longtime friends looks a day older than the first time we saw them because that's the picture that was/stayed fixed. It came home sharply the other night when I watched the programe about Diana's dresses. The juxta position of the girl in the seethrough skirt and the most photographed woman in the world. Until I saw that I had no idea of just how GREAT a change had occurred.