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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2013, 05:45:PM »
im not sure weather venabels should be released again.

but i thought they were right to realises him the first time.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2013, 05:54:PM »
nugnug I ask myself was the sentence long enough for taking the life of a two year old boy as I said earlier I am not an "eye for an eye person" but the only reason for killing him was just a game which gave them satisfaction and pleasure and I find this so difficult to comprehend unless they had mental problems.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2013, 06:12:PM »
nugnug  I really don't know what to think about Thompson and Venables.  Would they think it was OK to do what they did to wee Jamie.  Now Venables is older and he is into child pornography he must still have that sadistic desire in him that he had when he was 10.


Susan, I think they would have known the difference between right and wrong but would have been UNable to turn the situation around to how they might feel if their actions were inflicted on them.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2013, 06:31:PM »
Hello april  do you think that these two boys Venables and Thompson had a low mentality.  The cruelty of their crime did not upset them and could they do this again I ask myself.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2013, 06:33:PM »
I am well aware of the specifics of what happened and read court transcripts and medical report references during my degree.

Do you find it more 'sickening' me expressing a justified legal opinion, or other posters expressing that they hope Venables is raped and murdered?!

Remember that jb is a convicted child murderer in the most callous manner. He may well be a miscarriage of justice, but people who do believe him guilty are entitled to feel the same level of revulsion if not more for him, than Venables.

Hi Petey,

I agree. People are always emotive when children are involved (and rightly so), however, Thompson and Venables were also children when they committed the offence. This isn't an excuse, simply a fact and whatever their reason, it can't be measured against that of an adult such as Mark Bridger. It was horrible, sad and unforgivable but they were 10 years of age!! Obviously they knew it was wrong but they didn't know the magnitude of their actions and perhaps given their backgrounds, they didn't have the emotional maturity to understand the consequences for both poor James and those that loved him.

Reading the background of the case, it's interesting that at the time, Thompson was seen as the instigator because he seemed less emotional (although they both blamed each other), however, only Venables (as far as we know), has reoffended. I don't know what kind of support systems were put in place to monitor them on release and perhaps there was a failing there. People will complain that tax payers money shouldn't be spent of them - but left to their own devices, they would have no chance.

I wouldn't be comfortable with the idea of locking them up for life, however, I think they were released too quickly and the outside support network obviously failed as far as Venables is concerned.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2013, 06:35:PM »
My youngest is ten years old and he would probably rather die himself than hurt a two year old bubby. I guess it comes down to how you are brought up? I understand that at least one of the lads had an abusive and neglected childhood. Its a sad fact that many of those who are abused go on to become abusers themselves.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2013, 06:50:PM »
Hi tyler I can never get my head around why these two boys of 10 years of age could do this and not know it was evil.  Mary Bell was a different case she did have mental problems but don't think these two had. They killed for sheer pleasure and would enjoy every minute even when the little guy was crying calling for his Mum they did not stop.  Wonder if they sleep at night or do they think back to what they did.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2013, 06:53:PM »
My youngest is ten years old and he would probably rather die himself than hurt a two year old bubby. I guess it comes down to how you are brought up? I understand that at least one of the lads had an abusive and neglected childhood. Its a sad fact that many of those who are abused go on to become abusers themselves.
Hello april  do you think that these two boys Venables and Thompson had a low mentality.  The cruelty of their crime did not upset them and could they do this again I ask myself.


Susan/Tyler, I think your posts are linked. Susan, I know little of the boys' intellectual maturity but I think I recall reading that one was mush brighter than the other. Emotionally, I feel that their maturity was low almost to the point of non existance as was their ability to empathize. Tyler, you are totally correct, without guidance/diversion patterns repeat.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2013, 07:01:PM »
april excellent post explains what I was trying to say in my long winded way. ;D ;D ;D  Just feel they were not just "normal" 10 year olds upto pranks.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2013, 07:02:PM »
Hi tyler I can never get my head around why these two boys of 10 years of age could do this and not know it was evil.  Mary Bell was a different case she did have mental problems but don't think these two had. They killed for sheer pleasure and would enjoy every minute even when the little guy was crying calling for his Mum they did not stop.  Wonder if they sleep at night or do they think back to what they did.


Susan, I believe that it's imperative that they remember what they did but it's also important that they can sleep at night. For them to have any chance of turning their lives around they have to own what they did, accept the horror and move past it. IMO, it's a huge ask and maybe it's not something that they're BOTH capable of doing.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2013, 07:14:PM »
april don't think Venables is doing that if he is into child pornography.  One of the boys came from an abusive background which one anyone know.  Think Thompson has turned his life around from what I have read.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2013, 07:33:PM »
april don't think Venables is doing that if he is into child pornography.  One of the boys came from an abusive background which one anyone know.  Think Thompson has turned his life around from what I have read.


Susan, one can only hope. Like you, I don't have a brain like Petey's which deals with legalities. Of course we need legal process but we can't assume that because legalities have been completed it's the end of the story. We can no more give Thompson and Venables the childhoods they didn't have, than we can give Jamie back to his parents, but somehow they both have to live in the world. We couldn't tranfer them from Young Offenders to adults prison when they were no longer children so I suppose it was right to release them. My greatest hope is that they never set eyes on each other again.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2013, 07:40:PM »
april just been reading about Thompson and Venables both came from bad homes especially Thompson he had an horrendous childhood I always thought Venables was the lead but think I got that wrong.  Venables stayed with his Father from time to time who had plenty of video's of a pornographic  nature and violence so this is where he got it from.  Very sad all round.Thompson seems to have come out the best.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2013, 07:58:PM »
I understand Thompson has married and has kids , Venables looks nasty , unfortunatly his parents are no role models , what is needed is limits on children born bad families breed to hell in time when the worlds food runs out millions will simply die  there must never be a repeat ever of these crimes.

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Re: Jon Venables to be freed (Again)
« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2013, 08:12:PM »
Ironically Judge Judy spoke about children and mentioned people need licences for other things-guns, cars, TV's, dogs, marriages yet not children.