Jeremy's mental state at time of both funerals:-

[Jane]

.............. This is an insight to Jeremy Bamber's mind on the occasion of the funerals.

NO, Steve, this is an insight to how YOU think Jeremy's mind was on the occasion of the funerals. Interesting, isn't it, that you believe the owner of the restaurant who gave an objective view of how Jeremy's behaviour was, in your opinion knows less about him than you.

[susan]

Hello april  what confuses me Jeremy Bamber is serving a life sentence for murdering his family.  What more does steve want the hatred he has towards Jeremy is uncanny.  Whilst I believe Jeremy to be innocent I have no hatred to Julie or anyone else who may have been responsible for his incarceration.  I know steve is not Julie but I could understand his posts more if he were.

[Jane]

Hello april  what confuses me Jeremy Bamber is serving a life sentence for murdering his family.  What more does steve want the hatred he has towards Jeremy is uncanny.  Whilst I believe Jeremy to be innocent I have no hatred to Julie or anyone else who may have been responsible for his incarceration.  I know steve is not Julie but I could understand his posts more if he were.

Susan HELLO I agree entirely that the hatred Steve seems to bear towards Jeremy is out of all proportion given that Steve doesn't know him. According to Steve, what most of us might call a watery grin/smile is a smirk which shows his guilt, when you suggested that he would have done better to have cried, Steve has it that when he does, it's done for effect. I wonder, is it Jeremy's or Steve's credibility which is questionable.

[Steve_uk]

steve uk  I am not talking about the funeral but the actual trial if he was as guilty and as clever as you say he was he would have been sobbing his heart out like Julie at every question put to him.

No because his Gresham's public school training kicked in and he kept his cool in a similar male dominated public school environment.

[Steve_uk]

Catathymic crisis arises from intolerable tension. Whilst I'm convinced that you trawl through books on psychology in order to lay accusations at Jeremy's feet I think you need to tke a long hard look at what had befallen Sheila during the last 18 weeks of her life and ask yourself, given her mental fragility, just how much more she could take.

No it was Jeremy on the tractor which finally broke him as he resented every furrowed furlong in an environment which was alien to him. He had withdrawal symptoms from the Antipodean sun and longed to be back in a beach setting free and unfettered from a mad family as he saw them all..

[Steve_uk]

Hello april  what confuses me Jeremy Bamber is serving a life sentence for murdering his family.  What more does steve want the hatred he has towards Jeremy is uncanny.  Whilst I believe Jeremy to be innocent I have no hatred to Julie or anyone else who may have been responsible for his incarceration.  I know steve is not Julie but I could understand his posts more if he were.

I reiterate I have no personal hatred of Jeremy Bamber:only his crimes. He should be placed in an environment which facilitates rehabilitation as is the case with some Norwegian murderers.http://youtu.be/I6V_QiOa2Jo

[susan]

steve I am fully aware that some children are brought up to keep a stiff upper lip exactly like Wills and Harry did at their dear Mothers funeral but had Jeremy been guilty he would have used is acting skills (you are always quoting that he said he should have been an actor) and sobbed and been sad to fool the Jury from what I have read his attitude at trial was one of a man so complacent about his own innocence he felt he had no need to act and fool anyone as he knew the evidence against was to say the least weak. Julie on the other hand sobbed her heart out to the point she could hardly be questioned yet she identified these two little 6 year boys at the morgue knowing according to her goodself Jeremy was responsible and did not shed a tear and went off to share his bed and eat drink and be merry.

[lookout]

No it was Jeremy on the tractor which finally broke him as he resented every furrowed furlong in an environment which was alien to him. He had withdrawal symptoms from the Antipodean sun and longed to be back in a beach setting free and unfettered from a mad family as he saw them all..

Steve,I doubt he'd have been longing for another trip to the Antipodes if he supposedly committed robbery there,as he wouldn't be allowed back in. He'd have been arrested.So what you're saying,you haven't put much thought into that side of things. Didn't Jeremy allegedly leave the place in a hurry.?

[Jane]

No it was Jeremy on the tractor which finally broke him as he resented every furrowed furlong in an environment which was alien to him. He had withdrawal symptoms from the Antipodean sun and longed to be back in a beach setting free and unfettered from a mad family as he saw them all..

NO Steve, in the continuing absence of concrete evidence, this is just a psychologically uneducated theory of what YOU believe was going on in his mind.

[susan]

steve please don't suggest Scotland again for all Cat A prisoners we are very happy as we are If Jeremy laughs he is showing guilt if Jeremy cries he is putting it on as far as you are concerned he can do nothing right would you be happy if he was sent to a remote Scottish Island for the remainder of his life.

[Steve_uk]

steve I am fully aware that some children are brought up to keep a stiff upper lip exactly like Wills and Harry did at their dear Mothers funeral but had Jeremy been guilty he would have used is acting skills (you are always quoting that he said he should have been an actor) and sobbed and been sad to fool the Jury from what I have read his attitude at trial was one of a man so complacent about his own innocence he felt he had no need to act and fool anyone as he knew the evidence against was to say the least weak. Julie on the other hand sobbed her heart out to the point she could hardly be questioned yet she identified these two little 6 year boys at the morgue knowing according to her goodself Jeremy was responsible and did not shed a tear and went off to share his bed and eat drink and be merry.

I might quote Pascal here: "The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing". Of course it's earth shattering to think Julie was forewarned of the murders and who could pretend otherwise that it leaves an unerasable scar on many people's lives. But what has happened has happened and if people can get on with their own lives whether it be Colin,Julie or Jeremy then I think they should be given the chance to.

[Steve_uk]

steve please don't suggest Scotland again for all Cat A prisoners we are very happy as we are If Jeremy laughs he is showing guilt if Jeremy cries he is putting it on as far as you are concerned he can do nothing right would you be happy if he was sent to a remote Scottish Island for the remainder of his life.

Yes indeed I would in an environment where Jeremy is not in daily fear of being attacked as a child murderer,and I refer you to the video posted above.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,I doubt he'd have been longing for another trip to the Antipodes if he supposedly committed robbery there,as he wouldn't be allowed back in. He'd have been arrested.So what you're saying,you haven't put much thought into that side of things. Didn't Jeremy allegedly leave the place in a hurry.?

Well that was New Zealand wasn't it lookout not Sydney or the Gold Coast. In reality he opted for the south of France.

[Jane]

steve please don't suggest Scotland again for all Cat A prisoners we are very happy as we are If Jeremy laughs he is showing guilt if Jeremy cries he is putting it on as far as you are concerned he can do nothing right would you be happy if he was sent to a remote Scottish Island for the remainder of his life.

Susan, I believe that whilst Jeremy lives behind bars there will always be the question of the honesty of the part played by Julie Mugford in putting him there.

[Jane]

I might quote Pascal here: "The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing". Of course it's earth shattering to think Julie was forewarned of the murders and who could pretend otherwise that it leaves an unerasable scar on many people's lives. But what has happened has happened and if people can get on with their own lives whether it be Colin,Julie or Jeremy then I think they should be given the chance to.

The Duchess of Windsor had published a ghost written book entitled "The Heart Has Its Reasons".